On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:27:15 +0300 Ilmari Karonen nospam@vyznev.net wrote:
Reinhardt WIEWE @ torg.is wrote:
Now go to
http://yi.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%D7%B0%D7%90%D6%B7%D7%A1%D7%A2%D7...
this is an old draft waiting for optimization trough conditional templates.
Nothing special. Beleive me that RTL / BiDi editing is complicated enougt
and
there is no need for more workarounds / restictions.
Yes, I can see that it's a mess. But what would you propose instead?
Improuvements in small steps:
a) Bug 4011: Allow users to change text direction in all text input and textarea boxes == http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011
http://yi.wiktionary.org/wiki/user:Gangleri/tests/bugzilla#RTL_.26_Bidi_issu... lists all RTL and bidirectional projects (striked projects are not set up)
When you edit http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/project/sandbox/do_not_save?action=edit as an anonimuous user you will see that the cursor is at the right if you log in you will see that the cursor is at the left the same will happen at http://he.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project/sandbox/do_not_save&ac... but at http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project/sandbox/do_not_save&ac... http://ur.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project/sandbox/do_not_save&ac... http://ug.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project/sandbox/do_not_save&ac... the cursor will be always at the right
BTW: I discovered the difference at ar: and he: just now.
Facilitate bidirectional editing / readability via a trailing escape character (as "") at the end of line == http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=05121 realy would be an improuvement
you may see that this is also a workaround for the bug demonstarted at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:ParserFunctions#note_on_usage_of_whitesp...
Would it be easier to edit if it was _all_ in Hebrew, with no Latin letters at all? As far as I know, this should be possible: all the MediaWiki keywords can be localized, and template names and parameters can of course be changed on each wiki. The only major problem I see are HTML tags -- I don't think MediaWiki has any way to localize those.
-- Ilmari Karonen
The question if it "be easier to edit if it was _all_ in Hebrew, with no Latin letters at all?" does not focus on the main problem.
Content, contributor names, variables, parameters would be more and more mixed. Of course it would be more easier if a single script would be used. But it can be made "less complicated" also.
http://epov.org/wd-gemet/index.php/Template_talk:dir_rtl is a template to include RTL text in a LTR environment and http://yi.wikipedia.org/wiki/template_talk:dir_ltr is a template to include LTR text in a RTL environment.
There should be some copies around at various projects. They can be improuved because padding is not necessary.
The templates are used / can be used inside articles, pages, project and hep pages.
To answer your question: I neither untherstand Arabic, Dari, Farsi, Hebrew, Kurdish, Pashto, Sindhi, Urdu etc. I have some minimal knowledge of Yiddish.
Keeping keywords in English would help me to provide some support. For the native speakers a translation is more suitable.
But one can provide support also either useing 'project', '{{ns:project}}' or '{{subst:ns:project}}'.
Thanks for your interest on this topic. If you spend months to find out all what's possible and what is not you can not explain this in a few minutes. However it should not take that long once the knowledge is available.
best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]