On Jan 10, 2004, at 15:39, Erik Moeller wrote:
But in any
cases, I support dissolution of the international mailing
list.
Brion, are you following this?
I would not be totally averse to folding intlwiki-l back into
wikipedia-l, though in theory intlwiki-l is mainly intended for
discussion of needs for localization.
That is why I
mentionned the &bot=1.
It's an interesting concept. I hope you don't miss any edits. Note,
however, that in order to mark a user as a bot, you need developer
permissions -- again a dependency on Brion & Co.
I should clarify this: Tim set this up as an experimental feature to
help with the ongoing Papotages saga. It's a variant on the 'rollback'
function which, in addition to resaving the page with the previous
user's edit, marks both the vandal-edit and the restoration as hidden
from default Recentchanges display (by using the marker originally
added to keep massive bot edits from flooding recentchanges, hence the
"bot").
Any sysop can use this, but it's not integrated into the UI yet so you
have to manually add "&bot=1" to the contribs URL to set it up.
The edits are, like edits by an account marked as an official bot,
hidden from Recentchanges unless "hidebots=0" is passed to it, but are
not hidden from contribs, history, watchlist, etc. The edits remain in
the database and are not removed, but they no longer flood
Recentchanges.
I was initially skeptical but after seeing it in action I'm quite taken
with it; it greatly reduces the annoyance factor of a flood vandal with
relatively little effort. That the vandalism is still in the edit
histories is not that big a deal compared to the potential for abuse of
an unrecoverable rollback that actually disappeared the edits.
It could use some refinement; making this the default behavior for
rollback, making the 'show hidden edits' in RC easier to use and more
prominent, perhaps a count of the number of hidden edits if any; and
some way of noting the gravity of rollback (ie, that it should _not_ be
used for reverting a change you just don't like, but is meant only for
base vandalism, particularly massive flood vandalism).
Separately: setting up sysops and marking accounts as official bots and
such certainly is something that shouldn't be a bottleneck on the
developers. Feel free to make some suggestions (or write the code :)
for a less centralized setup.
I think that
my suggestion to do as you did the other time (which was
to
add a message to all village pumps, even in english, with a link to
the
announcement) was more positive than this comment.
I disagree. I think a mailing list digest service, either on Meta or
on a
newly created page on each Wikipedia, would be more useful than a "clog
the pumps" function,
That'd be a fine thing. A number of large project mailing lists have
regular summaries of interesting discussions and proposals.
-- brion vibber (brion @
pobox.com)