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I'm a bit confused as to why some of entries are in the "never" list.
For example, there are published lists of musical artists (roughly defined as people (or groups?) who have made a commercial recording). This would seem to make then notable under criteria 2. in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Why then are musicians in the "never" list?
I can understand that these large groups might have a "Not right now" status, but that seems to be different from "never". What am I misunderstanding?
peter
On 03/11/2015 01:28 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
Here's a very rough first attempt:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Comprehensive_groups_of_items
The main problem is that other than the areas I've been working in, I really don't know what's out there :-). Does the Wiki Loves Monuments work mean that we have complete monument coverage in certain countries, for example?
Andrew.
On 11 March 2015 at 15:01, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Thanks both. I'll try hacking out an aggregated list tonight and send the link around, but for now if there's anything you know for sure we cover comprehensively, fire away with your suggestions :-)
Mix-and-match was in the back of my head, as it has a nice example of all three groups:
- Already completely included - MEPs (at least until the next
election), ODNB
- Going to be included but not there yet - Dictionary of Welsh
Biography
- Will never be completely included - ACAD
Andrew.
On 11 March 2015 at 14:31, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
I can offer https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/
This (or a future successor) could serve as the "list keeper" for, say, list of lighthouses, or graded buildings in the UK.
One thing that IMHO would be required for this to work would be a (semi-)automatic sync of the "list keeper" with authoritative external lists (unless we want to sync those to Wikidata directly).
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:09 PM Markus Krötzsch markus@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote:
Hi Andrew,
This is a great idea! It would help data consumers to know what to expect and community members to know what to put in (or where help with imports would be appreciated). Moreover, the discussion about this list would be a great way to structure our work in general (have documented discussions about our goals for certain types of data). I feel that the bot right approval process is not the best place to decide if we strive to have all streets or all lighthouses in.
For things that are not complete in Wikidata (yet or ever), it would further help to provide pointers to other, more complete data sources (and the properties we might have to link to them).
The question is how to best organise this list. Your initial example setup already shows that this tends to become very diverse (not to say: chaotic). One could link this from the related class items (e.g., lighthouses or paintings), but having this as another extra load on the talk page would maybe not so ideal either. After all, this could be one of the first things that newbies to Wikidata want to get an idea about.
Cheers,
Markus
On 11.03.2015 14:07, Andrew Gray wrote: ...
I wonder if it would be useful to have a centralised list of "classes of things in Wikidata". For example:
Things entirely in Wikidata
- MEPs * County-level administrative divisions of all countries *
All artworks by the following people (list) * Cultural heritage sites in the following countries (list) * All people listed in the following biographical databases (list) * (etc)
Things not yet entirely in Wikidata (but probably will be eventually)
- All national-level elected representatives * All species *
Lighthouses * All artworks by the following people (list) * Cultural heritage sites in the following countries (list) * All people listed in the following biographical databases (list)
Things which will never be complete in Wikidata
- All local politicians * Streets worldwide * All businesses
This would be a very useful adjunct to the notability page, as it would give concrete examples to work from for the sort of things we feel are appropriate.
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