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I'm a bit confused as to why some of entries are in the "never" list.
For example, there are published lists of musical artists (roughly defined
as people (or groups?) who have made a commercial recording). This would
seem to make then notable under criteria 2. in
. Why then are musicians
in the "never" list?
I can understand that these large groups might have a "Not right now"
status, but that seems to be different from "never". What am I
misunderstanding?
peter
On 03/11/2015 01:28 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
Here's a very rough first attempt:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Comprehensive_groups_of_items
The main problem is that other than the areas I've been working in, I
really don't know what's out there :-). Does the Wiki Loves Monuments
work mean that we have complete monument coverage in certain countries,
for example?
Andrew.
On 11 March 2015 at 15:01, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>
wrote:
Thanks both. I'll try hacking out an
aggregated list tonight and send
the link around, but for now if there's anything you know for sure we
cover comprehensively, fire away with your suggestions :-)
Mix-and-match was in the back of my head, as it has a nice example of
all three groups:
* Already completely included - MEPs (at least until the next
election), ODNB
* Going to be included but not there yet - Dictionary of Welsh
Biography
* Will never be completely included - ACAD
Andrew.
On 11 March 2015 at 14:31, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
I can offer
https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/
This (or a future successor) could serve as the "list keeper" for,
say, list of lighthouses, or graded buildings in the UK.
One thing that IMHO would be required for this to work would be a
(semi-)automatic sync of the "list keeper" with authoritative
external lists (unless we want to sync those to Wikidata directly).
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:09 PM Markus Krötzsch
<markus(a)semantic-mediawiki.org> wrote:
Hi Andrew,
This is a great idea! It would help data consumers to know what to
expect and community members to know what to put in (or where help
with imports would be appreciated). Moreover, the discussion about
this list would be a great way to structure our work in general
(have documented discussions about our goals for certain types of
data). I feel that the bot right approval process is not the best
place to decide if we strive to have all streets or all lighthouses
in.
For things that are not complete in Wikidata (yet or ever), it
would further help to provide pointers to other, more complete data
sources (and the properties we might have to link to them).
The question is how to best organise this list. Your initial
example setup already shows that this tends to become very diverse
(not to say: chaotic). One could link this from the related class
items (e.g., lighthouses or paintings), but having this as another
extra load on the talk page would maybe not so ideal either. After
all, this could be one of the first things that newbies to Wikidata
want to get an idea about.
Cheers,
Markus
On 11.03.2015 14:07, Andrew Gray wrote: ...
> I wonder if it would be useful to have a centralised list of
> "classes of things in Wikidata". For example:
>
> Things entirely in Wikidata
>
> * MEPs * County-level administrative divisions of all countries *
> All artworks by the following people (list) * Cultural heritage
> sites in the following countries (list) * All people listed in
> the following biographical databases (list) * (etc)
>
> Things not yet entirely in Wikidata (but probably will be
> eventually)
>
> * All national-level elected representatives * All species *
> Lighthouses * All artworks by the following people (list) *
> Cultural heritage sites in the following countries (list) * All
> people listed in the following biographical databases (list)
>
> Things which will never be complete in Wikidata
>
> * All local politicians * Streets worldwide * All businesses
>
> This would be a very useful adjunct to the notability page, as
> it would give concrete examples to work from for the sort of
> things we feel are appropriate.
>
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