Firstly, I'm disappointed Erik chose to characterise my stated motivation as "false pretenses", as if I had some kind of bias towards Klingon and I deliberately tried to mislead the list. I mistakenly created Klingon, I did not try to pull a swiftie on the Wikimedia community. I hope that Erik's choice of words was in error.
Jimbo issued one statement against Klingon and one statement in favour of Klingon. His opinion was thus sufficiently ambiguous that my pretext was removed. However he later clarified his position by withdrawing his initial statement -- both on wikitech-l and on #wikipedia. I would have been happy to re-enable the wiki as soon as he did this, however he asked me to wait for the discussion to pan out.
The compromise agreed to by Erik and Timwi is to allow the Klingon Wikipedia, but to avoid interlanguage links. Accordingly, I have commented out the Klingon entry in $wgLanguageNames. This means that markup of the form [[tlh:wIqIpe'DIya]] will create an external link rather than an interlanguage link, just like links to meta or sep11. Otherwise the wiki is fully functional.
http://tlh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
-- Tim Starling
Tim Starling <ts4294967296@...> writes:
... The compromise agreed to by Erik and Timwi is to allow the Klingon Wikipedia, but to avoid interlanguage links. Accordingly, I have commented out the Klingon entry in $wgLanguageNames. This means that markup of the form [[tlh:wIqIpe'DIya]] will create an external link rather than an interlanguage link, just like links to meta or sep11. Otherwise the wiki is fully functional. ...
Hi,
I've tried to read this entire discussion in an effort to find the cause of a bug on Fy:.
1 Speaking in general, I don't understand the discussion at all. 2 I don't understand why the policy change to no longer treat all languauges equal, is discussed and apparently decided upon in the tech forum.
These are not my intended topic, however, just an indication of my starting point. (Feel free to mail me any explanations or arguments off-list.)
3 The solution above does not result in the objective above, but rather does the opposite. - Intended is to not show the incomprehensible language to others (I think). - Without this measure, just the Klingon word for "Klingon language" appears, and it only appears in the languages lists, to be read by multilingual visitors trying to switch languages, most of whom are accustomed to seeing names there that they don't understand. - With this measure, the entire page title in Klingon appears, and it appears in the text of the article, whereit is encountered by all visitors, who would expect to see only readable text there.
What was done here doesn't prevent Klingon links; it just makes them more noticable(especially on pages that still have their language links at the top).
Until there is a way to actually remove those links you do compromisingly don't want to show, please place them in the languages lists again. There at least they don't mess up the pages. (I expect they would actually go unnoticed there, except for those who can read the Klingon word for "Klingon".)
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