Raul Kern wrote:
how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage: http://et.wikimedia.org
The "like" button is usually added with an <iframe> HTML element. I suppose it would be simple enough to create this element in JavaScript (in MediaWiki:Common.js) and then have it inserted on the Main Page (or wherever).
The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what other risks there might be from doing so.
MZMcBride
On 18 April 2011 20:27, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Raul Kern wrote:
how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage: http://et.wikimedia.org
The "like" button is usually added with an <iframe> HTML element. I suppose it would be simple enough to create this element in JavaScript (in MediaWiki:Common.js) and then have it inserted on the Main Page (or wherever).
The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what other risks there might be from doing so.
Or the fact that Facebook Like-buttons are popping up everywhere, and I hope they won't on WMFs wikis. Great, you liked enwiki's article on turtles!
Svip wrote:
On 18 April 2011 20:27, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Raul Kern wrote:
how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage: http://et.wikimedia.org
The "like" button is usually added with an <iframe> HTML element. I suppose it would be simple enough to create this element in JavaScript (in MediaWiki:Common.js) and then have it inserted on the Main Page (or wherever).
The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what other risks there might be from doing so.
Or the fact that Facebook Like-buttons are popping up everywhere, and I hope they won't on WMFs wikis. Great, you liked enwiki's article on turtles!
It's a chapter wiki so it gets a bit borderline. I hate those "like" buttons, though.
2011/4/18 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what other risks there might be from doing so.
Presumably it'll pass a referer header, which means the 3rd-party site would know who (IP and account, if they have one on their site, like on Facebook) visited which Wikipedia page when. I'm not very familiar with the privacy policy, but I'm pretty sure this is shady at the very least.
Roan Kattouw (Catrope)
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From: "Roan Kattouw" roan.kattouw@gmail.com
Presumably it'll pass a referer header, which means the 3rd-party site would know who (IP and account, if they have one on their site, like on Facebook) visited which Wikipedia page when. I'm not very familiar with the privacy policy, but I'm pretty sure this is shady at the very least.
If Wikipedia or any other WMF sites deploy anything remotely related to Facebook, be it Instant Personalization, or even anything slightly less intrusive, then I'm gone, both as a reader and an editor, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be alone in that opinion. Mission creep is alive and well at Facebook.
Papa *spank*.
Cheers, -- jra
In article C9D1ECB6.10B40%z@mzmcbride.com, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Raul Kern wrote:
how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage: http://et.wikimedia.org
[...]
The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what other risks there might be from doing so.
My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether they have a Facebook account or not.
While I'm sure Facebook is a lovely company that has only its users' best interests at heart, it is probably a good idea not to enable third-party user tracking services on Wikimedia websites, as a matter of principle if nothing else.
- river.
2011/4/19 River Tarnell r.tarnell@ieee.org:
In article C9D1ECB6.10B40%z@mzmcbride.com, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Raul Kern wrote:
how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage: http://et.wikimedia.org
[...]
The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what other risks there might be from doing so.
My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether they have a Facebook account or not.
While I'm sure Facebook is a lovely company that has only its users' best interests at heart, it is probably a good idea not to enable third-party user tracking services on Wikimedia websites, as a matter of principle if nothing else.
- river.
So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?
-- Raul
On 19/04/11 15:32, Raul Kern wrote:
So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?
A lot of chapters have their own hosting. Part of the reason is so that they can set their own website policies without any interference from the Foundation. It's a reasonable solution.
For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google Analytics, all without JRA quitting.
-- Tim Starling
Sorry for top posting but what is JRA quitting ?
Christophe Envoye depuis mon Blackberry
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org Sender: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:02:53 To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki
On 19/04/11 15:32, Raul Kern wrote:
So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?
A lot of chapters have their own hosting. Part of the reason is so that they can set their own website policies without any interference from the Foundation. It's a reasonable solution.
For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google Analytics, all without JRA quitting.
-- Tim Starling
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Christophe Henner wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google Analytics, all without JRA quitting.
Sorry for top posting but what is JRA quitting ?
It was a reference to http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-April/052912.html.
MZMcBride
I haven't quite looked back to the discussions, but couldn't you have the extension load a local icon/image for the button and then manually construct the url to be clicked in the same style that the wikinews does their template?
On 19.04.2011, 10:24 K. wrote:
I haven't quite looked back to the discussions, but couldn't you have the extension load a local icon/image for the button and then manually construct the url to be clicked in the same style that the wikinews does their template?
Then it would violate the free content doctrine, unles you manage to convince FB to release their button images under a free license :P
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Then it would violate the free content doctrine, unles you manage to convince FB to release their button images under a free license :P
-- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
Commons has http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facebook.svg, and i doubt a white F in a blue box would even reach any where near the creativity threshold required for copyright.
Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki <at> gmail.com> writes:
On 19.04.2011, 10:24 K. wrote:
I haven't quite looked back to the discussions, but couldn't you have the extension load a local icon/image for the button and then manually construct the url to be clicked in the same style that the wikinews does their template?
Then it would violate the free content doctrine, unles you manage to convince FB to release their button images under a free license :P
Actually it would be a plain copyright violation (and quite possibly some sort of trademark violation too); Facebook terms of use do not allow modifying the looks or behavior of the Like button in any way.
Also worth noting that chapters participating in the fundraiser and receiving traffic from the fundraiser banners must have a privacy policy compatible with that of the WMF, which probably means no Like buttons (for the duration of the fundraiser, at least).
Other than that, though, I don't think arbitrary cultural standards should be imposed on self-hosted chapter homepages. It is their job to decide whether their readers would be happy about some data about their browsing being shared with Facebook, and they can probably do a better job about it than a random group of wikitech-l posters most of whom don't even speak the language.
I also do not see why being hosted by WMF would make any difference. Users might have a reasonable expectation to be protected by the WMF privacy policy while they are on a *.wikimedia.org domain, but if the site is hosted under some other domain name, there is no reason to enforce WMF policy.
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From: "Tim Starling" tstarling@wikimedia.org
On 19/04/11 15:32, Raul Kern wrote:
So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?
A lot of chapters have their own hosting. Part of the reason is so that they can set their own website policies without any interference from the Foundation. It's a reasonable solution.
For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google Analytics, all without JRA quitting.
<bows>
The issue is still real, though, Tim, even if you don't minimize it to a snark at me. No one's going to cry if I stop editing... but I am not by any means the only person unhappy with the behaviour of Facebook; hell, Aaron Sorkin got an Oscar for dramatizing why you *should* be concerned about it.
And they're a very large private corporation, resorting to financial subterfuge to *continue* to stay private; I see no reason WMF should commingle its destiny with theirs.
Cheers, -- jra
On 21 April 2011 23:06, Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.com wrote:
hell, Aaron Sorkin got an Oscar for dramatizing why you *should* be concerned about it.
"Alien" and "Aliens" both won Oscars too. You *should* be concerned about aliens.
ZOMG DOMAS IS WORKING FOR TEH ALIENS!!!1!one!
- d.
In article BANLkTi=EwLyAPcJLRipF9ubJuni+KyaUgQ@mail.gmail.com, Raul Kern raunator@gmail.com wrote:
My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether they have a Facebook account or not.
So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?
If you think having a "like" button is more important than your users' privacy, then yes.
- river.
Raul Kern wrote:
2011/4/19 River Tarnell r.tarnell@ieee.org:
My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether they have a Facebook account or not.
While I'm sure Facebook is a lovely company that has only its users' best interests at heart, it is probably a good idea not to enable third-party user tracking services on Wikimedia websites, as a matter of principle if nothing else.
So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?
I think it's better to just not use a "like" button. :-)
You can have passive "share" links instead, though. For example: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Social_bookmarks.
The chapter sites being hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation makes sense, mostly as the Wikimedia Foundation is fairly familiar with how to manage and maintain websites. If it's analytics that you want, that's being worked on (as far as I'm aware): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Projects/OWA.
MZMcBride
On 18/04/11 10:51, Raul Kern wrote:
how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage: http://et.wikimedia.org
You should not add this kind of facebook button on the WMF website. It is a breach in private life since it tells facebook which website you are browsing.
On 18 April 2011 09:51, Raul Kern raunator@gmail.com wrote:
how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage: http://et.wikimedia.org
Wikinews has a social networking template that (presumably) passes privacy muster:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Social_bookmarks
This works with some JavaScript, I'm not sure of the details. But the important thing is that it doesn't tell Facebook anything more than that you came to Facebook from the page you're posting to Facebook about.
Is there a way to make something like this that WMF sites can use more generally, without each individual site having to rebuild it themselves by hand?
- d.
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