Hi.
I've registered the domain "wikipedia.no" (Norway). In Norway, such domains must be owned by Norwegian registered companies or organizations, so it's not possible for me to transfer it completely to the Mediawiki Foundation.
Jimbo suggested my company sit as owners until Mediawiki opens shop in Norway, or rules here change. In the mean time, if someone felt it was necessary, we could set up a lease contract.
Anyway, I've set up a http redirect for the moment, but I'd like to set up the domain with Wikipedia's own DNS servers, and have the no.wikipedia.org site answer directly to www.wikipedia.no.
How do I go about arranging this?
-- Daniel
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:08:12 +0100, Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
Anyway, I've set up a http redirect for the moment, but I'd like to set up the domain with Wikipedia's own DNS servers, and have the no.wikipedia.org site answer directly to www.wikipedia.no.
How do I go about arranging this?
You shouldn't as it would defeat caching. Any alternative domains should redirect to the canonical version. Example: http://www.wikipedia.de/ redirects to http://de.wikipedia.org/.
I trust Daniel completely, so I'm satisfied with his word on this. His intentions have been stated publicly, and that's good enough for me.
Perhaps in the future, we will be able to do some kind of institutional transfer. But this is perfectly fine for now.
Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
Hi.
I've registered the domain "wikipedia.no" (Norway). In Norway, such domains must be owned by Norwegian registered companies or organizations, so it's not possible for me to transfer it completely to the Mediawiki Foundation.
Jimbo suggested my company sit as owners until Mediawiki opens shop in Norway, or rules here change. In the mean time, if someone felt it was necessary, we could set up a lease contract.
Anyway, I've set up a http redirect for the moment, but I'd like to set up the domain with Wikipedia's own DNS servers, and have the no.wikipedia.org site answer directly to www.wikipedia.no.
How do I go about arranging this?
-- Daniel
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Jimmy Wales wrote:
I trust Daniel completely, so I'm satisfied with his word on this. His intentions have been stated publicly, and that's good enough for me.
The problem is that one can never trust a company. Companies regularly go back on their words if it's profitable for them. Also, companies can go bust and their property sold off to to cover debts.
This also goes for my company, and it's made me think I should try to transfer it to some local organization instead - a LUUG or the local branch of the EFF.
These are considerations we should take with all such domains, and with all contact we have with companies: Only contracts and licenses will do.
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Btut I still don't know who to contact in order to hook up the domain to Wikipedia's DNS servers.
Can anyone help me here?
-- Daniel
Contact jasonr@bomis.com
If you have a suggestion for a contract form between the Wikimedia Foundation and your company, send it to me, and I'll read it, and we can do that. It does seem like the wise thing to do, now that you've talked me into it. :-)
Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Jimmy Wales wrote:
I trust Daniel completely, so I'm satisfied with his word on this. His intentions have been stated publicly, and that's good enough for me.
The problem is that one can never trust a company. Companies regularly go back on their words if it's profitable for them. Also, companies can go bust and their property sold off to to cover debts.
This also goes for my company, and it's made me think I should try to transfer it to some local organization instead - a LUUG or the local branch of the EFF.
These are considerations we should take with all such domains, and with all contact we have with companies: Only contracts and licenses will do.
Btut I still don't know who to contact in order to hook up the domain to Wikipedia's DNS servers.
Can anyone help me here?
-- Daniel
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Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Jimmy Wales wrote:
I trust Daniel completely, so I'm satisfied with his word on this. His intentions have been stated publicly, and that's good enough for me.
The problem is that one can never trust a company. Companies regularly go back on their words if it's profitable for them. Also, companies can go bust and their property sold off to to cover debts.
Bankruptcies can have an uncertain effect on copyrights. When the assets are liquidated the company's copyrights may be completely ignored, or not noticed at all. They are not distributed or sold as assets. My contention would be that when the bankruptcy is discharged without a distribution of copyrights, that would put the copyrights into the public domain. Copyright is a property right. Can a property right exist in the absence of someone to own it?
Ec
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Ray Saintonge wrote:
The problem is that one can never trust a company. Companies regularly go on their words if it's profitable for them. Also, companies can go bust and their property sold off to to cover debts.
Bankruptcies can have an uncertain effect on copyrights. When the assets are liquidated the company's copyrights may be completely ignored, or not noticed at all. They are not distributed or sold as assets. My contention would be that when the bankruptcy is discharged without a distribution of copyrights, that would put the copyrights into the public domain. Copyright is a property right. Can a property right exist in the absence of someone to own it?
For a software company, I don't think copyrights will be ignored. And it's wishful thinking to believe the copyrights of a bankrupt software company vanish in a puff og logic.
Also, a company can be subject to hostile takeovers (for instance if a majority of stockholders in my company go personally bankrupt).
We should plan for the worst case scenario.
(Which is why at my company the individual programmer always keeps copyright, while the company gets to use the software under the GPL.)
-- Daniel
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