Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Urs C Muff umuff71@email.com writes:
I would like to collect a list of dev's that want to contribute to a WYSIWYG effort for MediaWiki.
Why do you think WYSIWYG effort is useful? The current offering already does more harm than good. People adding [[weird]] [[links]] [[all]] [[the]] [[time]]...
Well some people will just not be able to get comfortable with markup, even thought the markup is designed to be human friendly it is still markup. To open the application to more users a WYSIWYG editor will be required (for us), and since this is open source and we are sharing resources I would like to coordinate that effort. Of course if I'm the only one interested, I will just do it my way...
- Urs
I am interested in discussing and hashing out the challenges of WYSIWYG editing. I also think that this kind of project is the kind of thing that would make alot of sense to develop in a sourceforge project dedicated to mediawiki extensions.
I know that MW extensions are talked about centrally here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mediawiki_Extensions
but I am talking about a sf project where the source itself is kept, and developers are granted access much more freely than on the mediawiki project itself. Extensions may eventually be merged into the core distribution, or they could maintain a life of their own, used in MW installations, but not on the 'pedia.
I brought this idea up once before, but nobody responded to my suggestion. Does that mean there is no interest? How about a project called mediawiki-extensions, or mediawiki-collective, or mediawiki-bizarre (the last two might make more sense if we conceive of this area as a collection of bot scripts, maintenance scripts, etc, in addition to just extensions). I would be happy to request this project name, as well as add anyone who is interested in becoming a developer or admin on the project.
Thoughts?
/Jonah
On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Urs C Muff wrote:
Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Urs C Muff umuff71@email.com writes:
I would like to collect a list of dev's that want to contribute to a WYSIWYG effort for MediaWiki.
Why do you think WYSIWYG effort is useful? The current offering already does more harm than good. People adding [[weird]] [[links]] [[all]] [[the]] [[time]]...
Well some people will just not be able to get comfortable with markup, even thought the markup is designed to be human friendly it is still markup. To open the application to more users a WYSIWYG editor will be required (for us), and since this is open source and we are sharing resources I would like to coordinate that effort. Of course if I'm the only one interested, I will just do it my way...
- Urs
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I would be happy to request this project name, as well as add anyone who is interested in becoming a developer or admin on the project.
Fascinating, Jonah; I for one would like to help out, having navigated limbo myself.
We'd have to avoid becoming a ghetto for exiled exten- sions, of course; which we could accomplish, I'm sure, by quality of implementation.
-- Peter Danenberg . wikisophia.org ..:
Excellent.
We have been working on a category selector widget, as well as an accompanying category query form (searches for articles w/in categories), and re-categorizer. But WYSIWYG editing, and many of the existing extensions would surely fit well here too.
I would sure appreciate it if some of the core MW developers weighed in on this idea, since I would hope this effort would be set up with their blessing (and occasional guidance and input).
Again, this model was used extremely successfully in the Plone world, with their collective project (www.sf.net/projects/collective > 200 developers) and other sites serving to recommend and rate these products.
Some folks might initially object to an "open" cvs project, where everyone can in theory modify each other's work, but this concept should not be very foreign to wikipedian's ;-)
I guess if I don't hear back from anyone, I will just try go ahead and register mediawiki-bizarre
g'nite /Jonah
On Jan 29, 2005, at 11:40 PM, Peter Danenberg wrote:
I would be happy to request this project name, as well as add anyone who is interested in becoming a developer or admin on the project.
Fascinating, Jonah; I for one would like to help out,having navigated limbo myself.
We'd have to avoid becoming a ghetto for exiled exten-sions, of course; which we could accomplish, I'm sure, by quality of implementation.
-- Peter Danenberg . wikisophia.org ..: _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
I guess if I don't hear back from anyone, I will just try go ahead and register mediawiki-bizarre
Nice; the original title of Eric Raymond's book, by the way, was not "The Cathedral and the Bazaar"; but: "The Cathedral and the Agora".
"Mediawiki-agora" would make a feat model.
-- Peter Danenberg . wikisophia.org ..:
I '''love''' the idea of a WYSIWYG extension. Ward Cunningham has said a couple of times he sees the lack of such editors as the biggest remaining barrier between the bulk of users and the world of wiki... which sounds reasonable to me.
I also like the idea of a mediawiki-bizarre SF project for bits and pieces.
+sj+
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:11:54 -0500, Jonah Bossewitch jonah@phantomcynthetics.com wrote:
I am interested in discussing and hashing out the challenges of WYSIWYG editing. I also think that this kind of project is the kind of thing that would make alot of sense to develop in a sourceforge project dedicated to mediawiki extensions.
I know that MW extensions are talked about centrally here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mediawiki_Extensions
but I am talking about a sf project where the source itself is kept, and developers are granted access much more freely than on the mediawiki project itself. Extensions may eventually be merged into the core distribution, or they could maintain a life of their own, used in MW installations, but not on the 'pedia.
I brought this idea up once before, but nobody responded to my suggestion. Does that mean there is no interest? How about a project called mediawiki-extensions, or mediawiki-collective, or mediawiki-bizarre (the last two might make more sense if we conceive of this area as a collection of bot scripts, maintenance scripts, etc, in addition to just extensions). I would be happy to request this project name, as well as add anyone who is interested in becoming a developer or admin on the project.
Thoughts?
/Jonah
On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Urs C Muff wrote:
Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Urs C Muff umuff71@email.com writes:
I would like to collect a list of dev's that want to contribute to a WYSIWYG effort for MediaWiki.
Why do you think WYSIWYG effort is useful? The current offering already does more harm than good. People adding [[weird]] [[links]] [[all]] [[the]] [[time]]...
Well some people will just not be able to get comfortable with markup, even thought the markup is designed to be human friendly it is still markup. To open the application to more users a WYSIWYG editor will be required (for us), and since this is open source and we are sharing resources I would like to coordinate that effort. Of course if I'm the only one interested, I will just do it my way...
- Urs
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