Hi Andy and wikitech-l,
I was forwarded your message (by Evan here at Google) asking about Earth parsing the {coord} template. I am a data engineer working on the Wikipedia layer and hopefully can help get this question resolved.
We can make our parsing tools recognize the new template; however, we definitely do not want our decision to support this template to be misconstrued as an endorsement or ultimatum. So, we are wondering if it has broad support within the community?
It looks like one of {coord}'s purproses is to consolidate the number of templates available for geo-tagging articles and we are definitely excited about that prospect. Do you know if there are efforts to get {coord} (or an equivalent, 'standard' geo-tagging template) implemented in additional language versions of Wikipedia?
Lastly, we are discussing a collaboration with geonames.org. They have done a lot of great work parsing and conflating Wikipedia data. Perhaps they are worth reaching out to as another project using the geocoordinate templates.
Apologies for taking a long time to be in touch.
Cheers, Jason
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From: Andy Mabbett < andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> Date: Jun 2, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Google Earth and 'coord' template
Hi,
I'm told you might be the person to assist with this, or to direct me to someone who can.
Please do!
Thank you.
In "Wikitech-l" message < JUxoMwM$7IXGFw76@pigsonthewing.org.uk>, Andy Mabbett andy-VPqQCyIUKlYeBxrm02tS/ekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org writes
Almost two months ago, User:GMaxwell undertook to arrange for Google to read the new 'coord' template:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord>when they parse the raw Wikipedia data for their Google Earth Wikipedia layer.
Unfortunately, he hasn't posted for some time (I do hope he's OK).
Can someone else pick up that baton, please, or advise me who to contact? Or perhaps even confirm that that's been done?
Thank you.
-- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: < http://www.freeourdata.org.uk%3E * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ?
In message 4a18802a0706051419l3ae7f34ep5a9438daf32f95a5@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com writes
Hi Andy and wikitech-l,
Hi
I was forwarded your message (by Evan here at Google) asking about Earth parsing the {coord} template. I am a data engineer working on the Wikipedia layer and hopefully can help get this question resolved.
Thank you; and thank you Evan.
We can make our parsing tools recognize the new template;
That's great. How long do you think it will take?
however, we definitely do not want our decision to support this template to be misconstrued as an endorsement or ultimatum. So, we are wondering if it has broad support within the community?
Yes; the only sticking point has been the question of support by Google Earth.
It looks like one of {coord}'s purproses is to consolidate the number of templates available for geo-tagging articles and we are definitely excited about that prospect. Do you know if there are efforts to get {coord} (or an equivalent, 'standard' geo-tagging template) implemented in additional language versions of Wikipedia?
Yes; The Italian-language version is already using it. More work is needed with the rest, but it's in hand.
Lastly, we are discussing a collaboration with geonames.org. They have done a lot of great work parsing and conflating Wikipedia data. Perhaps they are worth reaching out to as another project using the geocoordinate templates.
A contact would be appreciated, please (by private e-mail in confidence, if you prefer).
Apologies for taking a long time to be in touch.
At least you are, now!
Cheers, Jason
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andy Mabbett < andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> Date: Jun 2, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Google Earth and 'coord' template
Hi,
I'm told you might be the person to assist with this, or to direct me to someone who can.
Please do!
Thank you.
In "Wikitech-l" message JUxoMwM$7IXGFw76@pigsonthewing.org.uk, Andy Mabbett <andy-VPqQCyIUKlYeBxrm02tS/ekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org > writes
Almost two months ago, User:GMaxwell undertook to arrange for
Google to
read the new 'coord' template:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord >
when they parse the raw Wikipedia data for their Google Earth
Wikipedia
layer.
Unfortunately, he hasn't posted for some time (I do hope he's OK).
Can someone else pick up that baton, please, or advise me who to contact? Or perhaps even confirm that that's been done?
Thank you.
-- Andy Mabbett
On 6/6/07, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
I was forwarded your message (by Evan here at Google) asking about Earth parsing the {coord} template. I am a data engineer working on the Wikipedia layer and hopefully can help get this question resolved.
Thank you; and thank you Evan.
No problem.
We can make our parsing tools recognize the new template;
That's great. How long do you think it will take?
I have taken a quick look at the template and do not think it will take much time to support. We generally do data pushes about once per month, so it may take that long before users would see any articles pop up in the Wikipedia layer that have been tagged with this template. Of course, this is also dependent on the database dump cycles. If there is not a new dump available when we kick off the next round of parsing, it might be two months.
however, we
definitely do not want our decision to support this template to be misconstrued as an endorsement or ultimatum. So, we are wondering if it has broad support within the community?
Yes; the only sticking point has been the question of support by Google Earth.
Good news on the support front and apologies that we couldn't get this worked out more quickly.
Lastly, we are discussing a collaboration with geonames.org. They have
done a lot of great work parsing and conflating Wikipedia data. Perhaps they are worth reaching out to as another project using the geocoordinate templates.
A contact would be appreciated, please (by private e-mail in confidence, if you prefer).
Will do.
Apologies for taking a long time to be in touch.
At least you are, now!
Glad to get the communication lines open. Please let me know if you have any questions or anything.
Cheers, Jason
Cheers,
Jason
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andy Mabbett < andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> Date: Jun 2, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Google Earth and 'coord' template
Hi,
I'm told you might be the person to assist with this, or to direct me to someone who can.
Please do!
Thank you.
In "Wikitech-l" message JUxoMwM$7IXGFw76@pigsonthewing.org.uk, Andy Mabbett <andy-VPqQCyIUKlYeBxrm02tS/ekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org > writes
Almost two months ago, User:GMaxwell undertook to arrange for
Google to
read the new 'coord' template:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord >
when they parse the raw Wikipedia data for their Google Earth
Wikipedia
layer.
Unfortunately, he hasn't posted for some time (I do hope he's OK).
Can someone else pick up that baton, please, or advise me who to contact? Or perhaps even confirm that that's been done?
Thank you.
-- Andy Mabbett
-- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ?
In message 4a18802a0706061141w6e9b7817h75908206bca9892b@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com writes
On 6/6/07, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
We can make our parsing tools recognize the new template;
That's great. How long do you think it will take?
I have taken a quick look at the template and do not think it will take much time to support. We generally do data pushes about once per month, so it may take that long before users would see any articles pop up in the Wikipedia layer that have been tagged with this template. Of course, this is also dependent on the database dump cycles. If there is not a new dump available when we kick off the next round of parsing, it might be two months.
Thanks, but the key question is - how long until you can say "from now on, we will recognise coord templates" ?
It would be great if you could also notify me, and wikitech-l, as soon as that's the case.
geonames.org.
A contact would be appreciated, please (by private e-mail in confidence, if you prefer).
Will do.
Nothing here, yet.
Glad to get the communication lines open. Please let me know if you have any questions or anything.
Oh, I will do!
Thank you again for your assistance.
On 6/6/07, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
In message 4a18802a0706061141w6e9b7817h75908206bca9892b@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com writes
On 6/6/07, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
We can make our parsing tools recognize the new template;
That's great. How long do you think it will take?
I have taken a quick look at the template and do not think it will take
much
time to support. We generally do data pushes about once per month, so it
may
take that long before users would see any articles pop up in the
Wikipedia
layer that have been tagged with this template. Of course, this is also dependent on the database dump cycles. If there is not a new dump
available
when we kick off the next round of parsing, it might be two months.
Thanks, but the key question is - how long until you can say "from now on, we will recognise coord templates" ?
It would be great if you could also notify me, and wikitech-l, as soon as that's the case.
I will let you and wikitech-l know as soon as I have added support for this template. I am thinking within a week.
geonames.org.
A contact would be appreciated, please (by private e-mail in
confidence,
if you prefer).
Will do.
Nothing here, yet.
Sorry about that. I'll reply off-list.
Jason
Glad to get the communication lines open. Please let me know if you have any
questions or anything.
Oh, I will do!
Thank you again for your assistance.
-- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ?
In message 4a18802a0706061535md1d406ah645081daa67a0c98@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com writes
Thanks, but the key question is - how long until you can say "from now on, we will recognise coord templates" ?
It would be great if you could also notify me, and wikitech-l, as soon as that's the case.
I will let you and wikitech-l know as soon as I have added support for this template. I am thinking within a week.
Thank you. Is there a data dump due in that time?
In other words, is there any reason we should not convert "coor *" templates to "coord", now?
On 6/7/07, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
In message 4a18802a0706061535md1d406ah645081daa67a0c98@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com writes
Thanks, but the key question is - how long until you can say "from now on, we will recognise coord templates" ?
It would be great if you could also notify me, and wikitech-l, as soon as that's the case.
I will let you and wikitech-l know as soon as I have added support for
this
template. I am thinking within a week.
Thank you. Is there a data dump due in that time?
I am not sure about the schedule for the dumps. We are currently parsing the most recent dump (2007/05/30) for the English version.
In other words, is there any reason we should not convert "coor *"
templates to "coord", now?
I think it is safe to go ahead. I will have the parsing up-to-date by the time we do our next push.
Thanks, Jason
--
Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory UK ID Cards: < http://www.no2id.net/%3E * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ?
In message 4a18802a0706071648w67988b33w336d180df6a6fd5f@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com writes
In other words, is there any reason we should not convert "coor *" templates to "coord", now?
I think it is safe to go ahead. I will have the parsing up-to-date by the time we do our next push
That's great, thank you. I'll let people know.
On 6/6/07, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/6/07, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
In message 4a18802a0706061141w6e9b7817h75908206bca9892b@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields < jason.p.shields@gmail.com> writes
On 6/6/07, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
We can make our parsing tools recognize the new template;
That's great. How long do you think it will take?
I have taken a quick look at the template and do not think it will take
much
time to support. We generally do data pushes about once per month, so
it may
take that long before users would see any articles pop up in the
Wikipedia
layer that have been tagged with this template. Of course, this is also dependent on the database dump cycles. If there is not a new dump
available
when we kick off the next round of parsing, it might be two months.
Thanks, but the key question is - how long until you can say "from now on, we will recognise coord templates" ?
It would be great if you could also notify me, and wikitech-l, as soon as that's the case.
I will let you and wikitech-l know as soon as I have added support for this template. I am thinking within a week.
Sorry for the delay, but I wanted to let you all know that I have added support for parsing the '{coord}' template to our extraction tools used to publish articles in Google Earth. I will make sure that our FAQhttp://earth.google.com/userguide/v4/geoweb_faq.htmlgets updated accordingly. Users can expect to see articles that have been marked up with this template in future data releases.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks for your patience, Jason
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:47:23AM -0700, Jason Shields wrote:
Sorry for the delay, but I wanted to let you all know that I have added support for parsing the '{coord}' template to our extraction tools used to publish articles in Google Earth. I will make sure that our FAQhttp://earth.google.com/userguide/v4/geoweb_faq.htmlgets updated accordingly. Users can expect to see articles that have been marked up with this template in future data releases.
Would someone put a comment on that template noting that it's argument syntax now has external dependencies upon it?
Cheers, -- jra
In message 4a18802a0706211147w11ff2d56h6eca0d447df59284@mail.gmail.com, Jason Shields jason.p.shields@gmail.com writes
Sorry for the delay, but I wanted to let you all know that I have added support for parsing the '{coord}' template to our extraction tools used to publish articles in Google Earth.
That's great news; thank you.
I will make sure that our FAQhttp://earth.google.com/userguide/v4/geoweb_faq.htmlgets updated accordingly.
I see that that's now been done (you might want to have the extraneous white space removed).
Jason Shields wrote:
I have taken a quick look at the template and do not think it will take much time to support. We generally do data pushes about once per month, so it may take that long before users would see any articles pop up in the Wikipedia layer that have been tagged with this template. Of course, this is also dependent on the database dump cycles. If there is not a new dump available when we kick off the next round of parsing, it might be two months.
The {{coord}} template has been agressively pushed forward regardless of support, on both new and converted coordinates, so there are many articles with data for testing in the previous database dump already.
By the way, outside this list, please keep the usual Wikimedia tech contacts in copy for messages related to reuse of our data.
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