2008/1/3, Samuel Wantman sam@wantman.net wrote off-list and later gave me permission to reply on-list: ...
I agree with you that this should not be on a commercial site. It should be part of Wikipedia. Anything outside of Wikipedia is a backwater. I ask everyone I meet if they've been to Wikipedia. They all say they have. Then I ask them if they have ever been to Wikinews, Wiktionary or Wikia. Not a single person I have asked has even heard of Wikia. A very large majority have never been to any of the other Wikimedia projects. Anything moved from Wikipedia is moved into obscurity.
I agree 100%. Like you say, if it's not on Wikipedia, it doesn't exist.
Then again, some people will still want their stuff to be on Wikipedia, not Extrapedia, but this will at least help avoid [[WP:BITE]]'ing newcomers who write articles about non-notable topics. But still, I think this could help.
I already have a domain (Wikifree.org) and would host such a site, but I would rather see this happen as part of Wikipedia.
I, too, would rather it be done under the aegis of the Wikimedia Foundation. Though I wonder if it'd really be practical to rally enough support to get it approved.
Cheers,
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 11:07:01PM -0500, Jason Spiro wrote:
2008/1/3, Samuel Wantman sam@wantman.net wrote off-list and later gave me permission to reply on-list: ...
I agree with you that this should not be on a commercial site. It should be part of Wikipedia. Anything outside of Wikipedia is a backwater. I ask everyone I meet if they've been to Wikipedia. They all say they have. Then I ask them if they have ever been to Wikinews, Wiktionary or Wikia. Not a single person I have asked has even heard of Wikia. A very large majority have never been to any of the other Wikimedia projects. Anything moved from Wikipedia is moved into obscurity.
I agree 100%. Like you say, if it's not on Wikipedia, it doesn't exist.
I suspect that you'd get a lot of hits on Memory Alpha... from people who don't even realize it's now hosted by Wikia.
Cheers, -- jra
Jay R. Ashworth <jra@...> writes:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 11:07:01PM -0500, Jason Spiro wrote:
I agree 100%. Like you say, if it's not on Wikipedia, it doesn't exist.
I suspect that you'd get a lot of hits on Memory Alpha... from people who don't even realize it's now hosted by Wikia.
OK, good point, plus the Foundation is not going to host this :)
Sam, I guess we should use your domain to do this. We can get Wikipedians who want to create nonnotable articles to create them on your wiki.
But how to deal with templates we want to include? Is there a programmatic way to mirror all the templates we need once a day automatically and to semi-protect our copies of those templates?
Cheers, -Jason
Earlier, I wrote:
But how to deal with templates we want to include? Is there a programmatic way to mirror all the templates we need once a day automatically and to semi-protect our copies of those templates?
Even though nobody has responded to the above question, I have another question :-)
When bringing stuff over from Wikipedia, how could we prevent most links from showing up as red links like they do in many annex.wikia.com articles[1]?
We could mirror some or all of Wikipedia (and possibly images); but I bet it'd be better to somehow programmatically make red links repoint to enwiki if an article of that name on enwiki exists. And I bet it'd be preferable to do this at render time instead of modifying the stored wikitext, so that it'd be easier to move the stuff back to Wikipedia if necessary.
Cheers, -j
^ [1]. e.g. http://annex.wikia.com/wiki/Aarakocra
Jason Spiro wrote:
Earlier, I wrote:
But how to deal with templates we want to include? Is there a programmatic way to mirror all the templates we need once a day automatically and to semi-protect our copies of those templates?
Even though nobody has responded to the above question, I have another question :-)
Ok, i'll bite, :) What about adding a hook on articlesave (create/import?) which checks the template existence and looks for missing ones on wikipedia? Ideally it should also have a cache for fails...
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