Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC?
ori-l: !ask wm-bot: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
It's annoying when people ask to ask, but the people who do so do it out of insecurity or lack of experience, and so they're the last people we should be siccing our bots on.
I've used '!ask' a lot before but I'm going to stop. I hope others do the same.
Yeah I agree. Whenever I see it used I cringe a little bit thinking about how the other person is reading it.
--Tyler Romeo On Jul 23, 2013 5:51 PM, "Ori Livneh" ori@wikimedia.org wrote:
Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC?
ori-l: !ask wm-bot: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
It's annoying when people ask to ask, but the people who do so do it out of insecurity or lack of experience, and so they're the last people we should be siccing our bots on.
I've used '!ask' a lot before but I'm going to stop. I hope others do the same. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[14:54] <^demon> !ask del [14:54] <wm-bot> Successfully removed ask
-Chad
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah I agree. Whenever I see it used I cringe a little bit thinking about how the other person is reading it.
--Tyler Romeo On Jul 23, 2013 5:51 PM, "Ori Livneh" ori@wikimedia.org wrote:
Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC?
ori-l: !ask wm-bot: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
It's annoying when people ask to ask, but the people who do so do it out
of
insecurity or lack of experience, and so they're the last people we
should
be siccing our bots on.
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Ori Livneh wrote:
Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC?
ori-l: !ask wm-bot: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
It's annoying when people ask to ask, but the people who do so do it out of insecurity or lack of experience, and so they're the last people we should be siccing our bots on.
I've used '!ask' a lot before but I'm going to stop. I hope others do the same.
So really you're going for !!ask.
"!ask" used to be more direct (some would say meaner) and I'm a little sad to see it go away, but I suppose snotty replies can always be made manually. ;-)
MZMcBride
----- Original Message -----
From: "MZMcBride" z@mzmcbride.com
I've used '!ask' a lot before but I'm going to stop. I hope others do the same.
So really you're going for !!ask.
"!ask" used to be more direct (some would say meaner) and I'm a little sad to see it go away, but I suppose snotty replies can always be made manually. ;-)
Well, perhaps if it expanded as "IRC is a worldwide network, and many users are logged into it while doing other things. Ask your question, supplying as much detail as possible, and one of them may reply, even if it takes a while. In other words: don't ask to ask, just ask."...?
Cheers, -- jra
There is one more feature available on wm-bot.
First of all, that thing is smart enough to recognize who is irc newbie and who is not. It is possible to direct this only to people who are known to the bot (their cloak is trusted) so that it doesn't bite the newbies, but rather "slap" the experienced who keep bad habits. The bot is able to recognize what is a "question if they can ask" and automatically tell the person to ask the question instead of asking if they can ask, for example:
[08:23] <petan2> hi I have a question [08:23] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, just ask! There is no need to ask if you can ask ________________________________ [08:24] <petan2> is someone here [08:24] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
I admit that having a bot for this may not be a best solution, having more active helpers would be better, but I think that having people who just come to channel, say someone here? and immediately quit after 5 minutes of no response is even worse
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "MZMcBride" z@mzmcbride.com
I've used '!ask' a lot before but I'm going to stop. I hope others do the same.
So really you're going for !!ask.
"!ask" used to be more direct (some would say meaner) and I'm a little sad to see it go away, but I suppose snotty replies can always be made manually. ;-)
Well, perhaps if it expanded as "IRC is a worldwide network, and many users are logged into it while doing other things. Ask your question, supplying as much detail as possible, and one of them may reply, even if it takes a while. In other words: don't ask to ask, just ask."...?
Cheers,
-- jra
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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this can be of course improved, if someone is interested:
https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot/blob/master/plugins/slap/slap/Clas...
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
There is one more feature available on wm-bot.
First of all, that thing is smart enough to recognize who is irc newbie and who is not. It is possible to direct this only to people who are known to the bot (their cloak is trusted) so that it doesn't bite the newbies, but rather "slap" the experienced who keep bad habits. The bot is able to recognize what is a "question if they can ask" and automatically tell the person to ask the question instead of asking if they can ask, for example:
[08:23] <petan2> hi I have a question [08:23] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, just ask! There is no need to ask if you can ask ________________________________ [08:24] <petan2> is someone here [08:24] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
I admit that having a bot for this may not be a best solution, having more active helpers would be better, but I think that having people who just come to channel, say someone here? and immediately quit after 5 minutes of no response is even worse
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "MZMcBride" z@mzmcbride.com
I've used '!ask' a lot before but I'm going to stop. I hope others do the same.
So really you're going for !!ask.
"!ask" used to be more direct (some would say meaner) and I'm a little sad to see it go away, but I suppose snotty replies can always be made manually. ;-)
Well, perhaps if it expanded as "IRC is a worldwide network, and many users are logged into it while doing other things. Ask your question, supplying as much detail as possible, and one of them may reply, even if it takes a while. In other words: don't ask to ask, just ask."...?
Cheers,
-- jra
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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2014/1/20 Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com
[08:23] <petan2> hi I have a question [08:23] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, just ask! There is no need to ask if you can ask ________________________________ [08:24] <petan2> is someone here [08:24] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
Moreover, the bot should be taught to answer standard FAQ questions on its own. :-) And the next step is a real AI. :-)
In #digitalocean on freenode, their bot says "Don't ask to ask." or something like that.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2014/1/20 Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com
[08:23] <petan2> hi I have a question [08:23] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, just ask! There is no need to ask if you can ask ________________________________ [08:24] <petan2> is someone here [08:24] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
Moreover, the bot should be taught to answer standard FAQ questions on its own. :-) And the next step is a real AI. :-) -- Bináris _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
yes I was trying to implement AI using some open source libraries, but there aren't many of them and they all pretty much suck. Every AI project that works is usually proprietary.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2014/1/20 Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com
[08:23] <petan2> hi I have a question [08:23] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, just ask! There is no need to ask if you can ask ________________________________ [08:24] <petan2> is someone here [08:24] <+wm-bot> Hi petan2, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
Moreover, the bot should be taught to answer standard FAQ questions on its own. :-) And the next step is a real AI. :-) -- Bináris _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On 20/01/14 08:26, Petr Bena wrote:
There is one more feature available on wm-bot.
First of all, that thing is smart enough to recognize who is irc newbie and who is not. It is possible to direct this only to people who are known to the bot (their cloak is trusted) so that it doesn't bite the newbies, but rather "slap" the experienced who keep bad habits. The bot is able to recognize what is a "question if they can ask" and automatically tell the person to ask the question instead of asking if they can ask, for example:
+1 That was precisely what I was going to propose: that the bot should recognise the original question and answer it itself. I don't think there's anything wrong in getting a bot inviting you to answer. And will be much nicer than having a human tell the bot to explain you that you can ask :)
Frankly, the reason to do !ask | foobar is basically to avoid looking up the appropiate template.
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