Hello,
It has been floated a few times that new users should have to go through a copyright or licensing quiz before uploading material to the Commons. If there was widespread community support to implement such a thing, would the developers be willing to code such a quiz into either Special:Createaccount or Special:Upload (for first time uploaders)?
The type of quiz I mean is here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Licensing_quiz
regards, Brianna user:pfctdayelise
On 11/16/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
It has been floated a few times that new users should have to go through a copyright or licensing quiz before uploading material to the Commons. If there was widespread community support to implement such a thing, would the developers be willing to code such a quiz into either Special:Createaccount or Special:Upload (for first time uploaders)?
The type of quiz I mean is here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Licensing_quiz
Nice. And then what? Does a single wrong answer mean I can't upload to the commons, ever? Or can I retry the question (in which case even monkeys could pass it;-)?
If it's not a requirement but a "fun suggestion", it could go to an external web site (toolserver!), which would avoid putting a quiz mode into MediaWiki ;-)
OTOH, that could be a cool extension. Think determining something based on a series on yes-no decisions - this is how you can identify plants (using a book) or the car that matches you best (a German newspaper does that every odd year or so). It could work with specially prepared wiki pages. Oh, if I only had more time to code...
Magnus
On 16/11/06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Nice. And then what? Does a single wrong answer mean I can't upload to the commons, ever? Or can I retry the question (in which case even monkeys could pass it;-)?
No, no. You retry the question. Of course monkeys can pass it. It is just a basic "be aware of this fact before uploading" thing. It's pretty obvious that displaying notices doesn't work. Even big red warnings don't work. But a quiz is interactive and given how simple the questions are, will almost certainly engage the user. In fact thinking about this quiz will likely be a faster way to get through it than donkey-voting. :)
If it's not a requirement but a "fun suggestion", it could go to an external web site (toolserver!), which would avoid putting a quiz mode into MediaWiki ;-)
That would be fine, but then how would it be tied with the requirement of completing the quiz before successfully registering/uploading? I figured that would only be possible if it was actually integrated into MediaWiki. If I'm wrong on that point, please correct me.
OTOH, that could be a cool extension. Think determining something based on a series on yes-no decisions - this is how you can identify plants (using a book) or the car that matches you best (a German newspaper does that every odd year or so). It could work with specially prepared wiki pages. Oh, if I only had more time to code...
Yes, it would be a very cool extension, and I can see it being extraordinarily useful for Wikibooks, for example. (well with multiple choice, write-in answers would be nifty too)
There is this - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Quizzes - which is kinda waiting to be turned into a proper extension, I think.
cheers, Brianna
On 11/16/06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
OTOH, that could be a cool extension. Think determining something based on a series on yes-no decisions - this is how you can identify plants (using a book) or the car that matches you best (a German newspaper does that every odd year or so). It could work with specially prepared wiki pages. Oh, if I only had more time to code...
You could easily implement this just as a series of pages with multiple answers, with the right answer linking to the next page. Yes, easily defeated, but so would any quiz be.
Example:
When will Mickey Mouse become public domain: *[[Q1A|1995]] *[[Q1B|2005]] *[[Q1C|2015]] *[[Q1D|Never]]
Q1A, Q1B and Q1C all redirect to some "no, that's incorrect, try again". Q1D redirects to Q2.
Easy. No extension required. Just ask people not to publish the link to the final upload page.
Steve
On 20/11/06, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/16/06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
OTOH, that could be a cool extension. Think determining something based on a series on yes-no decisions - this is how you can identify plants (using a book) or the car that matches you best (a German newspaper does that every odd year or so). It could work with specially prepared wiki pages. Oh, if I only had more time to code...
You could easily implement this just as a series of pages with multiple answers, with the right answer linking to the next page. Yes, easily defeated, but so would any quiz be.
Example:
When will Mickey Mouse become public domain: *[[Q1A|1995]] *[[Q1B|2005]] *[[Q1C|2015]] *[[Q1D|Never]]
Q1A, Q1B and Q1C all redirect to some "no, that's incorrect, try again". Q1D redirects to Q2.
Easy. No extension required. Just ask people not to publish the link to the final upload page.
I don't want to force (or even suggest for) everyone to go through the quiz every single time they want to upload. I want to force all new users [or all users... I don't really care] to go through the quiz once before they start (or continue) uploading. Is it possible to do this without modifying MediaWiki?
regards, Brianna
On 11/20/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
I don't want to force (or even suggest for) everyone to go through the quiz every single time they want to upload. I want to force all new users [or all users... I don't really care] to go through the quiz once before they start (or continue) uploading. Is it possible to do this without modifying MediaWiki?
Well, you could use a large amount of JavaScript (which would of course only stop those with JS enabled) . . . other than that, not that I can think of.
On 11/20/06, Simetrical Simetrical+wikitech@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/20/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
I don't want to force (or even suggest for) everyone to go through the quiz every single time they want to upload. I want to force all new users [or all users... I don't really care] to go through the quiz once before they start (or continue) uploading. Is it possible to do this without modifying MediaWiki?
Well, you could use a large amount of JavaScript (which would of course only stop those with JS enabled) . . . other than that, not that I can think of.
I have no (real) idea of the MW code, so it's maybe just a stupid idea, but: Couldn't a user flag/group "quizpassed" be created (similar to "bot" or "sysop") , which is automatically assigned to your user account when you have once passed the quiz. Afterwards, when uploading, MediaWiki would determine, whether you have this flag set on your account or not (as it does for restricted pages as Special:Blockip) and will thus determine, whether you have to do the quiz or not. As said, no idea whether this is technically doable & reasonable in terms of performance etc.
Michael
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On 11/20/06, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
I have no (real) idea of the MW code, so it's maybe just a stupid idea, but: Couldn't a user flag/group "quizpassed" be created (similar to "bot" or "sysop") , which is automatically assigned to your user account when you have once passed the quiz. Afterwards, when uploading, MediaWiki would determine, whether you have this flag set on your account or not (as it does for restricted pages as Special:Blockip) and will thus determine, whether you have to do the quiz or not. As said, no idea whether this is technically doable & reasonable in terms of performance etc.
Brianna's question was whether it could be done "without modifying MediaWiki". It could certainly be done by modifying MediaWiki. Your approach could be used without modifying MediaWiki if you had a lot of stewards happy to manually add and remove such a group, but you can't do it automatically (except with a bot, ack).
On 11/20/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
I don't want to force (or even suggest for) everyone to go through the quiz every single time they want to upload. I want to force all new users [or all users... I don't really care] to go through the quiz once before they start (or continue) uploading. Is it possible to do this without modifying MediaWiki?
The no-brainer solution in my approach is for the user to bookmark the actual upload page (that is, the page pointed to by the final correct answer), and to use that in future. You could probably come up with much smarter solutions.
Steve
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