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Today's Topics:
1. list rendering (Khachik Kocharyan)
2. Re: SUL homewiki selection question (Anon Sricharoenchai)
3. Re: SUL homewiki selection question (Anon Sricharoenchai)
4. SUL entry on Wikimedia blog? (David Gerard)
5. Wikimedia Foundation Blog (Jon)
6. Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis
(David Gerard)
7. Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis
(Max Semenik)
8. Re: $wgCentralAuthCreateOnView (Simetrical)
9. Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis
(Nicolas Dumazet)
10. Re: [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [35553]
trunk/extensions/Wikidata/includes/api (Roan Kattouw)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:12:40 +0500
From: Khachik Kocharyan <khachik(a)zenteq.am>
Subject: [Wikitech-l] list rendering
To: Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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Hello,
I want to place block-level elements in the definition list, but it
is impossible. If I write
<dl><dt>term <dd><pre>
code here
code here</pre></dl>
I get (in ?action=render)
<dl><dt>term <dd><pre>
code here
code here</pre></dl>
which is not valid XML. If I write
<dl><dt>term</dt> <dd><pre>
code here
code here</pre></dd></dl>
I get
<dl><dt>term</dt> <dd><pre>
code here
code here</pre></dd></dl>
Placing <pre> (and other block-level elements) in ; term : definition
returns invalid XML too.
Wrote
;term : <pre>code1
code2
code3</pre>
and got
<dl><dt> term </dt><dd> <pre>code1
</dd></dl>
<p>code2
</p>
code3</pre>
I use mediawiki 1.12.0.
regards,
Khachik
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:19:47 +0700
From: "Anon Sricharoenchai" <anon.hui(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] SUL homewiki selection question
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On 5/29/08, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Anon Sricharoenchai wrote:
Hi,
1. Why still we let the SUL to auto select the homewiki in Special:MergeAccount?
The "home wiki" is a concept used by SUL to improve the chances that the
most active user of an account name will obtain the global account for
that name. If the passwords don't match, only the user who has access to
the home wiki will be allowed to merge.
After merge, the home wiki has no significance and is not displayed
publically.
The most active user on only one wiki doesn't mean that he deserve to
get global account.
The main objective of global account is to benefit the user that have
accounts on many wikis. (Am I correct?)
If Mr.A (see below) spread out his activeness across many wikis,
comparing to Mr.B (see below) that only active on only one wiki, Mr.A
will lose global account to Mr.B, since the activeness of Mr.A is
divided into many wikis, while Mr.B focus only on one wiki, then win
the edits count.
Do you think that Mr.A will get more benefit from global account than Mr.B?
2. Why not we let the wiki that do
Special:MergeAccount as homewiki?
Example,
Assuming that it has user test123@testwiki (1000 edit counts) and
test123@lowikibooks (500 edit counts)
* If test123 do merge account at,
http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount, then testwiki
will be homewiki.
* If test123 do merge account at,
http://lo.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount, then lowikibooks
will be homewiki.
We don't do this because it would defeat the purpose of having a home wiki.
The purpose of home wiki is to estimate the activeness?
Trying to do
http://lo.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount by user
test123, is also the evidence that test123(a)lo.wikibooks is an active
account.
3. Why not prohibit creation of existing account
that have not yet
been merged on any wikis?
Example,
1. Before SUL, if have test123 created on
http://lo.wikipedia.org
2. test123@lowiki has not been merged on any wikis.
3. After SUL, should immediately prohibit the creation of test123
account on any WM wikis. (even that test123 has not yet been merged
to SUL)
This is already the case, but we have had some reports that this
protection sporadically stops working. If this is true, it should be fixed
soon.
You mean that this is a bug?
The real intention is to also block account creation of unmerged username?
My experience is that,
1. I have tried create new account named testwiki.test@testwiki
2. While there's no user named testwiki.test on any other wikis, why
I'm not automatically get the global account for testwiki.test?
3. Why I still can create new account testwiki.test on lowiki?
The next case,
1. User testxyz already exists on enwiki before SUL,
http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=testxyz
2. After SUL, testxyz have not yet been merged.
3. However, why I still can create new account testxyz on enwikibooks?
The above two cases is a bug?
4. Considering the following situation,
1. Mr.A own "user123" at,
* testwiki,meta,common,mediawiki: 100,500,500,500 edits count
* enwikipedia,enwikibooks,enwikitionary,enwikisource,enwikinews:
100,100,100,100,100 edits count
* lowikipedia,lowikibooks,lowiktionary,lowikisource,lowikinews:
500,100,100,100,100 edits count
* totally, Mr.A has 3000 edits count
2. Mr.B own "user123" only at frwikipedia with 2000 edits count
3. When Mr.A use user123 on lowikipedia, and do
http://lowikipedia/Special:MergeAccount, what will be the homewiki of
user123?
4. Mr.A can successfully merge account?
5. If homewiki determined by the system is user123@frwikipedia,
then what thing Mr.A could do to get his accounts merged?
The best idea is for Mr.A and Mr.B to have a friendly chat with each other
about who they think should get the global account. Then, depending on the
results of that conversation, either Mr.A can rename his many accounts to
some new, unique username; or Mr.B can rename his fr.wikipedia account and
Mr.A can get the global name.
-- Tim Starling
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:32:45 +0700
From: "Anon Sricharoenchai" <anon.hui(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] SUL homewiki selection question
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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You mean that this is a bug?
The real intention is to also block account creation of unmerged username?
My experience is that,
1. I have tried create new account named testwiki.test@testwiki
2. While there's no user named testwiki.test on any other wikis, why
I'm not automatically get the global account for testwiki.test?
3. Why I still can create new account testwiki.test on lowiki?
Sorry, I mean lowiki.test username,
http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=lowiki.test
1. I first create on lowiki,
http://lo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%BA%9E%E0%BA%B4%E0%BB%80%E0%BA…
2. Then I still can create new one with the same name on testwiki,
http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Lowiki.test
Is this a bug?
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:29:59 +0100
From: "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikitech-l] SUL entry on Wikimedia blog?
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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Could someone please write up a few hundred words for the Wikimedia
blog (
http://blog.wikimedia.org/) about Single User Login? It's been
long enough coming :-)
- d.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 06:52:47 -0500
From: Jon <scream(a)datascreamer.com>
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Foundation Blog
To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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The Wikimedia foundation blog, is located at
http://blog.wikimedia.org
Information about this blog can be located at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog
The blog is currently encouraging suggested post drafts from the
contributers on here at Wikimedia. Please check out the drafting
instructions at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog#Drafting_a_post
Send in your material!
An example of a post that could be drafted is the new SUL / Unified
login system. Perhaps a contributer knowledgeable in that area could
write something up. :)
Very Best!
Jon
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:38:11 +0100
From: "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy
for all wikis
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>, "Wikimedia developers"
<wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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2008/5/29 Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com>om>:
The current language order in the bot was done
that way because we
were told to do so by the English Wikipedia. I'd happily change it,
but THE DECISION IS UP TO THE ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA, NOT TO YOU.
The answer is surely to include interwiki-link ordering as a parameter
that can be set for each wiki. That way, whatever order they're in at
the end of the article, they show up in the correct order in the
rendered page.
The bug is:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867
Surely someone can get that patch into acceptable shape for the MediaWiki code?
(unless there's some problem with it that isn't clear from the bug -
cc to wikitech-l)
- d.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:50:41 +0400
From: Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy
for all wikis
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On 29.05.2008, 17:38 David wrote:
2008/5/29 Andre Engels
<andreengels(a)gmail.com>om>:
> The current language order in the bot was
done that way because we
> were told to do so by the English Wikipedia. I'd happily change it,
> but THE DECISION IS UP TO THE ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA, NOT TO YOU.
The answer is surely to include interwiki-link
ordering as a parameter
that can be set for each wiki. That way, whatever order they're in at
the end of the article, they show up in the correct order in the
rendered page.
Surely someone can get that patch into acceptable
shape for the MediaWiki code?
(unless there's some problem with it that
isn't clear from the bug -
cc to wikitech-l)
- d.
Both major bot frameworks that may change the sort order of
interwikis, pywikipedia and AWB, have a highly customizable sorter that
follows
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_sort_order . If a
wiki is handled improperly, people should file a request to
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=93107 or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AWB/B
respectively instead of whinning about Teh Evil English Cabal.
--
Best regards,
Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:10:06 -0400
From: Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthCreateOnView
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Rotem Liss <rotemliss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On the other hand, this causes problems when a
user merges his accounts when
some of them have different names, and thus are not merged. For example:
User:Alpha@awiki and User:A@bwiki are the same user. User:A@bwiki merges his
accounts. The next time he visits awiki, User:A@awiki is created. He cannot use
User:Alpha@awiki any longer if he wants to use his global account, and accounts
keep created in every wiki, e.g. Meta (to which he comes to request deleting the
global account). This may cause problems if he wants to rename his old account
or so. This problem is not theoretical: users complained of it short after SUL
was enabled.
Well, that will go away once all the accounts are merged. In the
meantime we can put up a warning on MergeAccount saying not to merge
your accounts if you want some to be renamed first.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:51:59 +0200
From: "Nicolas Dumazet" <nicdumz(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy
for all wikis
To: "Max Semenik" <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>, "Wikimedia
developers"
<wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>, foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org,
"Pywikipedia discussion list" <pywikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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<1f077e770805290951t5552581ek283d5f9909fc8813(a)mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the link to our sourceforge Max.
Unless this feature is added to mediawiki core, yes - I'm speaking for
pywikipedia here - report us any bug in the interwiki sorting, and I
(we) will be happy to fix that for pywikipedia.
We do agree that there are local policies to respect on each projects,
and trust me, we try to work to comply with these rules. Sometimes we
are mistaken (today several complaints about the interwiki sorting of
sk: got raised, this should be fixed by now) but really, we are trying
to help the community, not to enforce some foreign wiki rules in
another.
2008/5/29 Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>:
Both major bot frameworks that may change the
sort order of
interwikis, pywikipedia and AWB, have a highly customizable sorter that
follows
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_sort_order . If a
wiki is handled improperly, people should file a request to
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=93107 or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AWB/B
respectively instead of whinning about Teh Evil English Cabal.
--
Best regards,
Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:00:23 +0200
From: Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw(a)home.nl>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [35553]
trunk/extensions/Wikidata/includes/api
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kim(a)svn.wikimedia.org schreef:
Revision: 35553
Author: kim
Date: 2008-05-29 17:36:51 +0000 (Thu, 29 May 2008)
Log Message:
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Updated ApiWikiData to support voctrainer...
This is slightly dirty code still, I'll contact yuri for array format sometime soon.
What about it. I doubt Yuri's gonna reply, he hasn't been active around
here for months. Feel free to ask on the mediawiki-api list, though.
Roan Kattouw (Catrope)
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