Hey, A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on, ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't send them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token and they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for yourself.
Stay safe, stay home.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction. A.M.
Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <trulytito@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hello, That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for working on this.
Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call.
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hey, "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
Wikimedia
CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user and password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want to meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also give
me
your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can
also
contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for Ticketmasters too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated)
let
me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
documentation
in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication, trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can find the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself if
you
feel like helping out.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/ [2]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-...
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
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Hey Amir (and team),
Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a meeting and not join ?
Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can join ? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit weird (and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?
-- Tony Thomas https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas --
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hey, A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on, ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't send them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token and they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for yourself.
Stay safe, stay home.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction. A.M.
Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <trulytito@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hello, That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for working on this.
Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
remind
me over email or phone call.
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com
wrote:
Hey, "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
Wikimedia
CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user
and
password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want
to
meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
give
me
your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can
also
contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
Ticketmasters
too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated)
let
me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
documentation
in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication, trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
find
the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself if
you
feel like helping out.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/ [2]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-...
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
Hope that would be useful for our users :) Best -- Amir (he/him) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hey, Unfortunately, this is the way the authentication of jitsi work and I don't have much control over it, the only thing I can find is enabling "guest access"
If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.
Also, I recommand you treat your user/pass like a wifi password (you can create more accounts for groups instead of sharing yours), share it but don't put in public places.
Best
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:13 PM Tony Thomas 01tonythomas@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Amir (and team),
Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a meeting and not join ?
Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can join ? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit weird (and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?
-- Tony Thomas https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas --
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hey, A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on, ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't
send
them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token
and
they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for yourself.
Stay safe, stay home.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction. A.M.
Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <trulytito@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hello, That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for working on this.
Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
remind
me over email or phone call.
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com
wrote:
Hey, "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
Wikimedia
CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using
commercial
services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user
and
password. You can share the username and password with anyone you
want
to
meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
give
me
your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You
can
also
contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
Ticketmasters
too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly
appreciated)
let
me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
documentation
in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication, trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
find
the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself
if
you
feel like helping out.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/ [2]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-...
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
Hope that would be useful for our users :) Best -- Amir (he/him) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
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If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.
Aha, so this would be more or less like the Google Meet flow right now. Would it make sense to enable it at-least during the hackathon then ?
So, to create a meeting you still need access codes, but to join, you can rely on somebody inside to let you in. Sounds very reasonable.
-- Tony Thomas https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas --
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:15 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hey, Unfortunately, this is the way the authentication of jitsi work and I don't have much control over it, the only thing I can find is enabling "guest access"
If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.
Also, I recommand you treat your user/pass like a wifi password (you can create more accounts for groups instead of sharing yours), share it but don't put in public places.
Best
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:13 PM Tony Thomas 01tonythomas@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Amir (and team),
Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a
meeting
and not join ?
Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can
join
? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit
weird
(and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?
-- Tony Thomas https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas --
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hey, A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on, ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't
send
them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token
and
they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use
that
in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for yourself.
Stay safe, stay home.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction. A.M.
Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <trulytito@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hello, That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot
for
working on this.
Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
remind
me over email or phone call.
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com
wrote:
Hey, "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
Wikimedia
CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using
commercial
services like Zoom which might have security and privacy
implications
[1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a
user
and
password. You can share the username and password with anyone you
want
to
meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
give
me
your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You
can
also
contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
Ticketmasters
too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require
any
technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly
appreciated)
let
me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
documentation
in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with,
like
puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving
authentication,
trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
find
the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to
yourself
if
you
feel like helping out.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/ [2]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-...
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
Hope that would be useful for our users :) Best -- Amir (he/him) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
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