"Carl (CBM)" <cbm.wikipedia at gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Mark A. Hershberger <mhershberger at wikimedia.org> wrote:
Posted this issue at http://hexm.de/8m.
The above link is to :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Does_Wik...
As of this morning, I count 21 "support" and 25 "oppose".
Part of the opposition was how I phrased it. Wikipedia obviously doesn't "need" a share button.
I also didn't make it clear that I didn't think we should or would use any one else's "share" button since that would allow them to track their users through Wikipedia. As a result, I didn't count the one opposition that seemed primarily concerned with the tracking issue.
Someone pointed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheDJ/Sharebox and I tried it out, but it only worked after disabling the Firefox extension that I use to stop trackers. I'm glad TheDJ has made this available for those that want to use it, but I would like to get something else in place that doesn't share data with any intermediaries (such as AddThis.com) beyond the place that the user actually wants to share the page.
Mark.
Making a share this link box is really trivial. There are several implementations on different wikis (I wrote one at enwikinews - http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Social_bookmarks . Commons used to have one with stockphoto.js. Not sure if they still use it, several other wikis do their own thing) The issue has always been if people actually want it, which I believe is one of those discussions that comes up over and over again on enwikipedia.
-bawolff
bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com writes:
The issue has always been if people actually want it, which I believe is one of those discussions that comes up over and over again on enwikipedia.
Yes, this is one of the things mentioned: that it comes up quite regularly. And, assuming the response I got is any indication of reality, feelings on enwiki are pretty evenly split on the issue of share buttons.
So, yes, Wikipedia lacks a "share" button. It lacks one because community consensus to support one does not exist.
If the OP (jidanni) thinks this is an really vital issue, he has his work cut out for him.
Mark.
So 50% of users want a share button. That's plenty. Some features only need 5% to make them candidates for implementation. So one would hope it would get implemented one way or the other.
jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:
So 50% of users want a share button. That's plenty. Some features only need 5% to make them candidates for implementation. So one would hope it would get implemented one way or the other.
You shouldn't just take into account how many people want it, but also how many people want to not have it...
Which is why it should be a personal choice of wether it shows up or not. To me the simplest way to fix this is to make sharing through something like facebook an opt in account level feature.
This would mean that you opt in to facebook sharing fully knowing that your adhering to their data policies. Some people are clearly ok with this and and we should honor their request but not at the cost of other users privacy.
That way anyone who wants it can knowingly opt in and get it while everyone else wont see it if they don't want to.
--tomasz
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:
So 50% of users want a share button. That's plenty. Some features only need 5% to make them candidates for implementation. So one would hope it would get implemented one way or the other.
You shouldn't just take into account how many people want it, but also how many people want to not have it...
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Also see share gadget in chinese wikipedia:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-shareTool.js
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2011/11/8 Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org
Which is why it should be a personal choice of wether it shows up or not. To me the simplest way to fix this is to make sharing through something like facebook an opt in account level feature.
This would mean that you opt in to facebook sharing fully knowing that your adhering to their data policies. Some people are clearly ok with this and and we should honor their request but not at the cost of other users privacy.
That way anyone who wants it can knowingly opt in and get it while everyone else wont see it if they don't want to.
--tomasz
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:
So 50% of users want a share button. That's plenty. Some features only need 5% to make them candidates for implementation. So one would hope it would get implemented one way or the other.
You shouldn't just take into account how many people want it, but also how many people want to not have it...
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