Is there any easy way to find all of citations of specified academic articles on Wikipedias in all languages, and the text that is supported by those references, so that the citations of questionable articles can be removed and the article texts can be quickly reviewed for possible changes or removal?
See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/18/outbreak-of-fa...
If we don't have easy ways to deal with this (and I believe that we don't), I'd like to suggest that the Community Tech team work on tools to help when these situations happen.
Thanks,
Pine
Related discussion from 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_26... (afaics it resulted in the creation of the {{retracted}} template, but no bot)
The Community Tech team has its own mailing list now btw (https://groups.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forum/#!forum/community-tech ).
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any easy way to find all of citations of specified academic articles on Wikipedias in all languages, and the text that is supported by those references, so that the citations of questionable articles can be removed and the article texts can be quickly reviewed for possible changes or removal?
See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/18/outbreak-of-fa...
If we don't have easy ways to deal with this (and I believe that we don't), I'd like to suggest that the Community Tech team work on tools to help when these situations happen.
Thanks,
Pine _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Thanks for the info, Tilman.
I ended up looking at the Community Tech page on MediaWiki, which says that their scope of work includes "Building article curation and monitoring tools for WikiProjects", so the kind of tools that we're discussing here seem to be within their scope.
Ryan, you seem to be the lead communicator for the group. Can you add these tools to the list of projects that are in the Community Tech backlog? Also, can you clarify why Community Tech is using Google Groups for its mailing list instead of lists.wikimedia.org?
Thanks,
Pine
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Related discussion from 2012:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_26... (afaics it resulted in the creation of the {{retracted}} template, but no bot)
The Community Tech team has its own mailing list now btw (https://groups.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forum/#!forum/community-tech ).
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any easy way to find all of citations of specified academic articles on Wikipedias in all languages, and the text that is supported
by
those references, so that the citations of questionable articles can be removed and the article texts can be quickly reviewed for possible
changes
or removal?
See
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/18/outbreak-of-fa...
If we don't have easy ways to deal with this (and I believe that we
don't),
I'd like to suggest that the Community Tech team work on tools to help
when
these situations happen.
Thanks,
Pine _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the info, Tilman.
I ended up looking at the Community Tech page on MediaWiki, which says that their scope of work includes "Building article curation and monitoring tools for WikiProjects", so the kind of tools that we're discussing here seem to be within their scope.
This project sounds like a good idea, but I don't really understand how it would work as a tool. There's no API for retracted journal articles. It seems like the best way to handle it would be when you find out about a retracted journal article to just search Wikipedia for the title of the article. What would a tool for this look like and how would it be more efficient that just searching?
Ryan, you seem to be the lead communicator for the group. Can you add these tools to the list of projects that are in the Community Tech backlog?
See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team#Work_input_and_prioritiza...
Also, can you clarify why Community Tech is using Google Groups for its mailing list instead of lists.wikimedia.org?
That's what WMF Office IT recommended (probably because it's interface wasn't developed in 1999). Do you think it should be on lists.wikimedia.org instead? Personally, it doesn't matter to me.
Thanks,
Pine
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Related discussion from 2012:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_26... (afaics it resulted in the creation of the {{retracted}} template, but no bot)
The Community Tech team has its own mailing list now btw (https://groups.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forum/#!forum/community-tech ).
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any easy way to find all of citations of specified academic articles on Wikipedias in all languages, and the text that is supported
by
those references, so that the citations of questionable articles can be removed and the article texts can be quickly reviewed for possible
changes
or removal?
See
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/18/outbreak-of-fa...
If we don't have easy ways to deal with this (and I believe that we
don't),
I'd like to suggest that the Community Tech team work on tools to help
when
these situations happen.
Thanks,
Pine _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hi!
This project sounds like a good idea, but I don't really understand how it would work as a tool. There's no API for retracted journal articles. It seems like the best way to handle it would be when you find out about a retracted journal article to just search Wikipedia for the title of the article. What would a tool for this look like and how would it be more efficient that just searching?
I think maybe DOI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier) might be useful there, as many article references are referred by DOI (as an identifyable template parameter) and it may be more precise indicator than just name. Not sure which way is the best to search for it though.
1. I was thinking of a tool that would let users input a variety of ways of referring to the retracted articles, such as DOI numbers (Peaceray is an expert in these). The tool would accept multiple inputs simultaneously, such as all 64 articles that were retracted in a batch. The tool would return to the user a list of all articles in which those references are used as citations, and highlight the paragraphs of the article where the citations are used. This would, I hope, greatly improve the efficiency of the workflow for dealing with retracted journal articles.
2. I'm not clear on where I should list a new idea. The list of ideas in Community Tech team/All Our Ideas/Process https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/All_Our_Ideas/Process is based on a survey that has already been completed. Is there a Phabricator workboard that would be appropriate for listing a new idea such as this?
3. I would prefer to have everyone using the same system, which is lists.wikimedia.org. It makes sense to me that everyone might migrate eventually to a newer system. I suggest avoiding fragmentation. Researching the possibility of migrating all mailing lists to a newer system sounds like a good project for Community Tech and I could propose that in Phabricator as well if there's a good place to do so.
Thanks,
Pine
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the info, Tilman.
I ended up looking at the Community Tech page on MediaWiki, which says that their scope of work includes "Building article curation and monitoring tools for WikiProjects", so the kind of tools that we're discussing here seem to be within their scope.
This project sounds like a good idea, but I don't really understand how it would work as a tool. There's no API for retracted journal articles. It seems like the best way to handle it would be when you find out about a retracted journal article to just search Wikipedia for the title of the article. What would a tool for this look like and how would it be more efficient that just searching?
Ryan, you seem to be the lead communicator for the group. Can you add these tools to the list of projects that are in the Community Tech backlog?
See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team#Work_input_and_prioritiza...
Also, can you clarify why Community Tech is using Google Groups for its mailing list instead of lists.wikimedia.org?
That's what WMF Office IT recommended (probably because it's interface wasn't developed in 1999). Do you think it should be on lists.wikimedia.org instead? Personally, it doesn't matter to me.
Thanks,
Pine
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Related discussion from 2012:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_26... (afaics it resulted in the creation of the {{retracted}} template, but no bot)
The Community Tech team has its own mailing list now btw (https://groups.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forum/#!forum/community-tech ).
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any easy way to find all of citations of specified academic articles on Wikipedias in all languages, and the text that is
supported by
those references, so that the citations of questionable articles can be removed and the article texts can be quickly reviewed for possible
changes
or removal?
See
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/18/outbreak-of-fa...
If we don't have easy ways to deal with this (and I believe that we
don't),
I'd like to suggest that the Community Tech team work on tools to help
when
these situations happen.
Thanks,
Pine _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
- I was thinking of a tool that would let users input a variety of ways
of referring to the retracted articles, such as DOI numbers (Peaceray is an expert in these). The tool would accept multiple inputs simultaneously, such as all 64 articles that were retracted in a batch. The tool would return to the user a list of all articles in which those references are used as citations, and highlight the paragraphs of the article where the citations are used. This would, I hope, greatly improve the efficiency of the workflow for dealing with retracted journal articles.
Sounds like a reasonable proposal, although I have to wonder if the time spent building and maintaining this tool would be more or less than the time it would save editors to search for retracted journal articles.
- I'm not clear on where I should list a new idea. The list of ideas in Community
Tech team/All Our Ideas/Process https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/All_Our_Ideas/Process is based on a survey that has already been completed. Is there a Phabricator workboard that would be appropriate for listing a new idea such as this?
Community Tech is currently only accepting new tasks related to the All Our Ideas survey results ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/All_Our_Ideas). We will be opening up a new survey next month though ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/Community_Wishlist_Survey...). In the meantime, you can post the idea at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech_project_ideas to get more input on it. More details about all of this will be announced hopefully next week.
- I would prefer to have everyone using the same system, which is
lists.wikimedia.org. It makes sense to me that everyone might migrate eventually to a newer system. I suggest avoiding fragmentation. Researching the possibility of migrating all mailing lists to a newer system sounds like a good project for Community Tech and I could propose that in Phabricator as well if there's a good place to do so.
That's a pretty good point. I'll request to have the mailing list moved to lists.wikimedia.org.
Ryan, can we get an update about when https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/Community_Wishlist_Survey will be launched? Thanks!
Pine
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
- I was thinking of a tool that would let users input a variety of ways
of referring to the retracted articles, such as DOI numbers (Peaceray is an expert in these). The tool would accept multiple inputs simultaneously, such as all 64 articles that were retracted in a batch. The tool would return to the user a list of all articles in which those references are used as citations, and highlight the paragraphs of the article where the citations are used. This would, I hope, greatly improve the efficiency of the workflow for dealing with retracted journal articles.
Sounds like a reasonable proposal, although I have to wonder if the time spent building and maintaining this tool would be more or less than the time it would save editors to search for retracted journal articles.
- I'm not clear on where I should list a new idea. The list of ideas in Community
Tech team/All Our Ideas/Process https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/All_Our_Ideas/Process is based on a survey that has already been completed. Is there a Phabricator workboard that would be appropriate for listing a new idea such as this?
Community Tech is currently only accepting new tasks related to the All Our Ideas survey results ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/All_Our_Ideas). We will be opening up a new survey next month though ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team/Community_Wishlist_Survey...). In the meantime, you can post the idea at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech_project_ideas to get more input on it. More details about all of this will be announced hopefully next week.
- I would prefer to have everyone using the same system, which is
lists.wikimedia.org. It makes sense to me that everyone might migrate eventually to a newer system. I suggest avoiding fragmentation. Researching the possibility of migrating all mailing lists to a newer system sounds like a good project for Community Tech and I could propose that in Phabricator as well if there's a good place to do so.
That's a pretty good point. I'll request to have the mailing list moved to lists.wikimedia.org.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Researching the possibility of migrating all mailing lists to a newer system sounds like a good project for Community Tech
I've been pushing to keep the team focused on things that can show a direct impact on contribution/editing; this kind of sysadmin work really isn't that?[1] May be a worthwhile clarification to add to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team#Scope though.
Luis
[1] Though I do think that we should think about at least upgrading mailman, and potentially switching to Google Groups or (perhaps for some lists) to discourse.net.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Researching the possibility of migrating all mailing lists to a newer system sounds like a good project for Community Tech
I've been pushing to keep the team focused on things that can show a direct impact on contribution/editing; this kind of sysadmin work really isn't that?[1] May be a worthwhile clarification to add to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team#Scope though.
Luis
[1] Though I do think that we should think about at least upgrading mailman, and potentially switching to Google Groups or (perhaps for some lists) to discourse.net.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864 is the task for the Mailman upgrade btw ("Upgrading to Version 3 will come, but it won't be soon and very very likely won't be this year").
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Researching the possibility of migrating all mailing lists to a newer system sounds like a good project for Community Tech
I've been pushing to keep the team focused on things that can show a
direct
impact on contribution/editing; this kind of sysadmin work really isn't that?[1] May be a worthwhile clarification to add to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team#Scope though.
Luis
[1] Though I do think that we should think about at least upgrading mailman, and potentially switching to Google Groups or (perhaps for some lists) to discourse.net.
To be clear, this was the very broad we, not CE/CommTech. :/
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864 is the task for the Mailman upgrade btw ("Upgrading to Version 3 will come, but it won't be soon and very very likely won't be this year").
Surprised the bug doesn't mention the multiple python versions it requires. Some bizarre choices there.
Luis
Per earlier discussion in this thread...
New mailing list created: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/community-tech
The old mailing list will be deleted shortly.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Researching the possibility of migrating all mailing lists to a newer system sounds like a good project for Community Tech
I've been pushing to keep the team focused on things that can show a
direct
impact on contribution/editing; this kind of sysadmin work really isn't that?[1] May be a worthwhile clarification to add to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech_team#Scope though.
Luis
[1] Though I do think that we should think about at least upgrading mailman, and potentially switching to Google Groups or (perhaps for
some
lists) to discourse.net.
To be clear, this was the very broad we, not CE/CommTech. :/
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864 is the task for the Mailman upgrade btw ("Upgrading to Version 3 will come, but it won't be soon and very very likely won't be this year").
Surprised the bug doesn't mention the multiple python versions it requires. Some bizarre choices there.
Luis
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Ryan Kaldari wrote:
Per earlier discussion in this thread...
New mailing list created: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/community-tech
The old mailing list will be deleted shortly.
Thanks!
MZMcBride
On 08/18/2015 05:42 AM, Pine W wrote:
Is there any easy way to find all of citations of specified academic articles on Wikipedias in all languages, and the text that is supported by those references, so that the citations of questionable articles can be removed and the article texts can be quickly reviewed for possible changes or removal?
LinkSearch is a start for this, in the meantime:
E.g.:
* A DOI that uses dx.doi.org (such as cite doi): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=dx.doi.org%2F10.1000%252F182&...
* Another URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=example.com%2Fwithdrawnpaper&...
The underlying data for this (externallinks) is most likely replicated to Labs, so a tool there could do a cross-wiki search.
Matt Flaschen
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any easy way to find all of citations of specified academic articles on Wikipedias in all languages, and the text that is supported by those references, so that the citations of questionable articles can be removed and the article texts can be quickly reviewed for possible changes or removal?
Not right now, but Aaron and James are working on it! http://librarybase.wmflabs.org/
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