Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind Wikipedia readers around the world.
Is it possible to fix bug 11555 or is it probably not possible because of technical reasons? Would a fix be a very difficult work and there is no time for it now or in the next half year?
A fix would be a huge improvement for the usability experience of blind screen reader users. As it seems, only the German Wikipedia and a few other projects have this great improvement which makes navigating on Mediawiki pages much better for blind readers like me. Wikipedia have masses of blind readers but only users with account can use a JS snippet or this proposed gadget in the future: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals#Gadget_to_move_the_s...
Most blind readers won't never create an account because of the CAPTCHA problem or because they just want to read but not to contribute. The best solution would be a bug fix for 11555 if possible. This would also be the answer wether the proposed gadget is even necessary or not. Thank you.
Best, Per (en.W: Lalue)
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Per Reisender@online.de wrote:
Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind Wikipedia readers around the world.
Is it possible to fix bug 11555 or is it probably not possible because of technical reasons? Would a fix be a very difficult work and there is no time for it now or in the next half year?
As I said in comment 15 on that bug,[1] it should be possible to commit a fix at any time, but I need permission from Brion, because it will break things and he got annoyed at me the last time I tried to do this.
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11555#c15
From: "Simetrical" Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:19 PM
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Per Reisender@online.de wrote:
Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind Wikipedia readers around the world.
Is it possible to fix bug 11555 or is it probably not possible because of technical reasons? Would a fix be a very difficult work and there is no time for it now or in the next half year?
As I said in comment 15 on that bug,[1] it should be possible to commit a fix at any time, but I need permission from Brion, because it will break things and he got annoyed at me the last time I tried to do this.
Would it perhaps be possible to add a new option to the preferences which allows users with account to deactivate the result of the bug fix? Then nothing will break, nobody has to become angry and lots of blind readers without account will be happy. Just my user thoughts.
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11555#c15
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Per Reisender@online.de wrote:
Would it perhaps be possible to add a new option to the preferences which allows users with account to deactivate the result of the bug fix? Then nothing will break, nobody has to become angry and lots of blind readers without account will be happy. Just my user thoughts.
No, because that's a half-arsed fix. Adding kludges and hacks to work around something because you're too afraid to do it properly is not a good way to design software.
However, you could probably use some custom JS to move the section edit link around, the way the German and French Wikipedias (inter alia) do.
Per wrote:
Sorry for this question but the answer is important for all blind Wikipedia readers around the world.
A fix would be a huge improvement for the usability experience of blind screen reader users.
What about display: none .editsection for aural and braille medias? (probably also advisable for other elements hidden on print such as toctoggle) At least *I* would be annoyed by a text2speech telling me 'edit' on each header when reading an article, and a braille tactile has less 'reading bandwidth'...
Per, what's the usefulness of section edit links for blind people?
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
Per, what's the usefulness of section edit links for blind people?
I'd presume that iff they are going to edit it would be very helpful, because beginning a deep edit at the top of the article would be very cumbersome... but it's been a long time since I've seen a screen reader in use.. I have no clue what the modern tools are like.
From: "Gregory Maxwell" gmaxwell@gmail.com
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
Per, what's the usefulness of section edit links for blind people?
I'd presume that iff they are going to edit it would be very helpful, because beginning a deep edit at the top of the article would be very cumbersome... but it's been a long time since I've seen a screen reader in use.. I have no clue what the modern tools are like.
You are right, section edit links are very helpful. Having only the edit page option would be dissatisfying. The section edit links are just at the wrong place.
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