Hello everyone,
what is the exact difference between #goal and #epic on Phabricator?
Thanks
Martin / Urbanecm
#goal means a team has picked it as one of their goals to finish it in this or an upcoming quarter and #epic just means it is the opposite of trivial.. as in "takes really long / is complex / involves many people".
afaict
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM Martin Urbanec martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz wrote:
Hello everyone,
what is the exact difference between #goal and #epic on Phabricator?
Thanks
Martin / Urbanecm _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Disclaimer: this is a description of what I have used them, not an authoritative statement about how they should be used, nor a report on the norms for the entire userbase for this Phabricator instance.
#epic identifies Phabricator tasks that comprise multiple other Phabricator tasks. They could be very large pieces of work, which have been decomposed into many tasks via Child Tasks. Or they could be 'tracking' tasks, holding a list of lots of other tasks, either through parentage or lists in the description or both.
#goal identifies a Phabricator task that does not represent work to be done or a bug to be resolved, but instead is part of a project tracking system.
So #epic is a fairly common project management tem used in Wikimedia Phab in its usual sense, and #goal has no set meaning other than what it means to the people involved in teaching that task.
Joel Aufrecht (he/him, they/them)
Program Manager (Technology) Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM Martin Urbanec martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz wrote:
Hello everyone,
what is the exact difference between #goal and #epic on Phabricator?
Thanks
Martin / Urbanecm _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Thank you both, makes sense.
Martin
st 17. 7. 2019 v 3:27 odesílatel Joel Aufrecht jaufrecht@wikimedia.org napsal:
Disclaimer: this is a description of what I have used them, not an authoritative statement about how they should be used, nor a report on the norms for the entire userbase for this Phabricator instance.
#epic identifies Phabricator tasks that comprise multiple other Phabricator tasks. They could be very large pieces of work, which have been decomposed into many tasks via Child Tasks. Or they could be 'tracking' tasks, holding a list of lots of other tasks, either through parentage or lists in the description or both.
#goal identifies a Phabricator task that does not represent work to be done or a bug to be resolved, but instead is part of a project tracking system.
So #epic is a fairly common project management tem used in Wikimedia Phab in its usual sense, and #goal has no set meaning other than what it means to the people involved in teaching that task.
Joel Aufrecht (he/him, they/them)
Program Manager (Technology) Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM Martin Urbanec < martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz> wrote:
Hello everyone,
what is the exact difference between #goal and #epic on Phabricator?
Thanks
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There’s some info here too https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management
Kosta
On Jul 17, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Martin Urbanec martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz wrote:
Thank you both, makes sense.
Martin
st 17. 7. 2019 v 3:27 odesílatel Joel Aufrecht jaufrecht@wikimedia.org napsal:
Disclaimer: this is a description of what I have used them, not an authoritative statement about how they should be used, nor a report on the norms for the entire userbase for this Phabricator instance.
#epic identifies Phabricator tasks that comprise multiple other Phabricator tasks. They could be very large pieces of work, which have been decomposed into many tasks via Child Tasks. Or they could be 'tracking' tasks, holding a list of lots of other tasks, either through parentage or lists in the description or both.
#goal identifies a Phabricator task that does not represent work to be done or a bug to be resolved, but instead is part of a project tracking system.
So #epic is a fairly common project management tem used in Wikimedia Phab in its usual sense, and #goal has no set meaning other than what it means to the people involved in teaching that task.
Joel Aufrecht (he/him, they/them)
Program Manager (Technology) Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM Martin Urbanec < martin.urbanec@wikimedia.cz> wrote:
Hello everyone,
what is the exact difference between #goal and #epic on Phabricator?
Thanks
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On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 14:30 -0400, Kosta Harlan wrote:
There’s some info here too https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management
...and there is also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Glossary with lots of interesting words that some folks might enjoy.
andre
Also, each tag has a page with it's description.
Epic: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/942/ Goal: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/2169/
Željko
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:10 PM Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 14:30 -0400, Kosta Harlan wrote:
There’s some info here too https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management
...and there is also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Glossary with lots of interesting words that some folks might enjoy.
andre
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I know that, but didn't understand the difference from the pages. But thanks.
Martin
Dne čt 18. čvc 2019 15:17 uživatel Željko Filipin zfilipin@wikimedia.org napsal:
Also, each tag has a page with it's description.
Epic: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/942/ Goal: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/2169/
Željko
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:10 PM Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 14:30 -0400, Kosta Harlan wrote:
There’s some info here too https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management
...and there is also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Glossary with lots of interesting words that some folks might enjoy.
andre
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Hi Andre,
On 17-07-19 21:10, Andre Klapper wrote:
On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 14:30 -0400, Kosta Harlan wrote:
There’s some info here too https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management
...and there is also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Glossary with lots of interesting words that some folks might enjoy.
So in Agile you (can) use stories/epics/initiatives/themes as described at https://www.atlassian.com/agile/project-management/epics-stories-themes . Would you call a goal an initiative or more like a specific flavor of an epic? Does Wikimedia use the "Theme" concept?
Maarten
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