We are in the process of phasing out Clicktracking. An example of this is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46205/ . If you are relying on this for an extension, you should explore other options, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging .
Matt Flaschen
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
We are in the process of phasing out Clicktracking. An example of this is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46205/ . If you are relying on this for an extension, you should explore other options, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging .
Matt Flaschen
Extension was dropped today. -- Ori Livneh
RIP Clicktracking.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ori Livneh ori@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
We are in the process of phasing out Clicktracking. An example of this is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46205/ . If you are relying on this for an extension, you should explore other options, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging .
Matt Flaschen
Extension was dropped today.
Ori Livneh
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On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 14:08 -0700, Ori Livneh wrote:
Extension was dropped today.
Lovely!
Should http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking get a "<blink>Do not use, go for EventLogging instead</blink>" box?
AFAIK, ClickTracking depends on UserDailyContribs. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserDailyContribs states that UserDailyContribs is still deployed on WMF servers. Is phasing out UserDailyContribs also planned? It's still listed on https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt
Are the remaining two open ClickTracking bug reports WONTFIX? Shall the Bugzilla component "ClickTracking" be closed for new bug entry?
Thanks, andre
On 4/12/13, Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 14:08 -0700, Ori Livneh wrote:
Extension was dropped today.
Lovely!
Should http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking get a "<blink>Do not use, go for EventLogging instead</blink>" box?
AFAIK, ClickTracking depends on UserDailyContribs. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserDailyContribs states that UserDailyContribs is still deployed on WMF servers. Is phasing out UserDailyContribs also planned? It's still listed on https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt
Are the remaining two open ClickTracking bug reports WONTFIX? Shall the Bugzilla component "ClickTracking" be closed for new bug entry?
Thanks, andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead.
For the record, if anyone ever uses <blink> (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P
Think of the kittens, don't blink ;)
--bawolff
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead.
For the record, if anyone ever uses <blink> (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P
Think of the kittens, don't blink ;)
Webkit doesn't support blink. Looks like Gecko may follow: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/04/09/1445233/gecko-may-drop-the-bli...
So many kittens can now grow up ;-)
-Chad
to cut out this defect of webkit with css:
https://github.com/madrobby/blink
Lukas
Am Fr 12.04.2013 14:12, schrieb Chad:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead.
For the record, if anyone ever uses <blink> (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P
Think of the kittens, don't blink ;)
Webkit doesn't support blink. Looks like Gecko may follow: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/04/09/1445233/gecko-may-drop-the-bli...
So many kittens can now grow up ;-)
-Chad
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Hi everyone!
Aren't you too quick about this "phasing out" thing? First of all the term is pretty weird - if the current maintainer don't want to support the extension anymore we use [[Template:Unmaintained_extension]] and ideally search for new maintainer don't we? The fact that the maintainer is WMF doesn't have to change anything.
The second thing is that Click Tracking requires the current version of MediaWiki and this makes it useful extension for the next year or two. Not many people use the devel version of MW which is need for Event Logging.
----- Yury Katkov, WikiVote
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
to cut out this defect of webkit with css:
https://github.com/madrobby/blink
Lukas
Am Fr 12.04.2013 14:12, schrieb Chad:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead.
For the record, if anyone ever uses <blink> (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P
Think of the kittens, don't blink ;)
Webkit doesn't support blink. Looks like Gecko may follow:
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/04/09/1445233/gecko-may-drop-the-bli...
So many kittens can now grow up ;-)
-Chad
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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
Aren't you too quick about this "phasing out" thing? First of all the term is pretty weird - if the current maintainer don't want to support the extension anymore we use [[Template:Unmaintained_extension]] and ideally search for new maintainer don't we? The fact that the maintainer is WMF doesn't have to change anything.
The second thing is that Click Tracking requires the current version of MediaWiki and this makes it useful extension for the next year or two. Not many people use the devel version of MW which is need for Event Logging.
Did anyone other than WMF use clicktracking?
- Ryan
ha-ha, that sounds very innocently. :D
Yes, it's one of the dependencies of ArticleFeedback. By the way, I think this project is a-we-so-me because it allows you to check who use the extension: http://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Extension:Click_Tracking ----- Yury Katkov, WikiVote
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Ryan Lane rlane32@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
Aren't you too quick about this "phasing out" thing? First of all the term is pretty weird - if the current maintainer don't want to support the extension anymore we use [[Template:Unmaintained_extension]] and ideally search for new maintainer don't we? The fact that the maintainer is WMF doesn't have to change anything.
The second thing is that Click Tracking requires the current version of MediaWiki and this makes it useful extension for the next year or two. Not many people use the devel version of MW which is need for Event Logging.
Did anyone other than WMF use clicktracking?
- Ryan
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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, [ClickTracking] is one of the dependencies of ArticleFeedback.
Note the latest version of AFT drops the dependency. Earlier versions of AFT (and AFTv5, WikiLove, the Vector extension, and a few others) have ResourceLoader modules that depend on ClickTracking modules, but their actual invocations of ClickTracking functionality are usually buried inside if ( bucketing && bucketCookie && trackOn && UNLIKELY ) { // invoke $.getBuckets(), $.trackAction(), etc. }
so I suspect all wikis "using" ClickTracking have it installed to meet the requirements of some other extension but aren't set up to track anything. If you are using it, speak up! Most commercial wikis use Google Analytics and other third-party tools.
By the way, I think this project is a-we-so-me because it allows you to check who use the extension: http://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Extension:Click_Tracking
Very useful, thanks.
-- =S Page software engineer on Editor Engagement Experiments
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On 4/12/2013 5:03 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: [...snip...]
For the record, if anyone ever uses <blink> (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P
Think of the kittens, don't blink ;)
I thought we weren't supposed to use blink tags because they attracted Weeping Angels. :P - -- Sincerely, Andrew "FastLizard4" Adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FastLizard4 FastLizard4@gmail.com
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:46 AM, FastLizard4 fastlizard4@gmail.com wrote:
I thought we weren't supposed to use blink tags because they attracted Weeping Angels. :P
That which holds the image of a angel...
On Friday, April 12, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
Should http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking get a "<blink>Do not use, go for EventLogging instead</blink>" box?
I'm not sure, to be honest. There's some overlap (both provide some facility for pushing analytic data to the servers) but it pretty much ends there. ClickTracking uses the MediaWiki API as the logging endpoint which ended up being unsuitable for our production environment, and it doesn't provide tooling for structuring data, which made managing concurrent data collection jobs challenging. But it can still be a perfectly adequate solution for smaller wikis, depending on the use-case.
AFAIK, ClickTracking depends on UserDailyContribs. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserDailyContribs states that UserDailyContribs is still deployed on WMF servers. Is phasing out UserDailyContribs also planned? It's still listed on https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt
It's a good idea! I'll check around first to see if it's being used by anyone. It's possible that there are analysts that utilize this data even if there is no code that depends on it. (Paging Dario..!)
Are the remaining two open ClickTracking bug reports WONTFIX? Shall the Bugzilla component "ClickTracking" be closed for new bug entry?
Well, IWONTFIXTHEM. I got burnt by ClickTracking once or twice (mostly my own stupidity, I'll admit) and I never want to deal with it again. The extension's original authors have likewise moved on to bigger and better things. I propose we wait a bit and see if any third-party users come out of the woodwork, in which case we should certainly retain the component and try to provide some casual level of support, for the sake of the MediaWiki ecosystem. If some time passes and it turns out that we were indeed the only users, then let's close it.
-- Ori Livneh
Can you tell me why this is going to be removed and what insights you got from it?
Lukas http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/insight.html Am Mi 03.04.2013 23:04, schrieb Matthew Flaschen:
We are in the process of phasing out Clicktracking. An example of this is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46205/ . If you are relying on this for an extension, you should explore other options, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging .
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On Apr 11, 2013 6:54 PM, "Lukas Benedix" benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Can you tell me why this is going to be removed and what insights you got
from it?
I believe it's being deprecated in favor of the EventLogging extension. In any case the mediawikiwiki extension pages should be updated.
-Jeremy
On 04/11/2013 06:54 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote:
Can you tell me why this is going to be removed and what insights you got from it?
It's being removed in favor of EventLogging, which we believe is technically better and more flexible. For some of the research these extensions make possible, see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research
Matt Flaschen
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