Hi, It would be nice if on Wikipedia, ordinary users could delete pages (perhaps not including their basic User talk: page) from their own user space. Currently, every subpage that you set up exists forever until you find an admin to delete it for you. Most likely, admins regularly delete subpages from their own user space that they no longer need...
Would this require a software extension, or just reconfiguration of Wikipedia? Where is the best place to ask?
Steve
It would be nice if on Wikipedia, ordinary users could delete pages (perhaps not including their basic User talk: page) from their own user space.
And what if they've moved an article from the main namespace to their userspace? How would you prevent users deleting real articles in this way?
Angela.
6/16/06, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
And what if they've moved an article from the main namespace to their userspace? How would you prevent users deleting real articles in this way?
Ordinary users can move articles into their userspace???
Steve
On 6/16/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
Ordinary users can move articles into their userspace???
Yes, of course. They can move any non-protected page anywhere they like. And that ability shouldn't be removed considering how many newbies accidentally make their user page in the article namespace and it needs to be moved to the userspace.
Angela
On 6/16/06, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, of course. They can move any non-protected page anywhere they like. And that ability shouldn't be removed considering how many newbies accidentally make their user page in the article namespace and it needs to be moved to the userspace.
In that particular case, no harm would be caused by copying/pasting it to their user page, then marking the original for speedy deletion. But I take your point.
On 6/16/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien htchien1225@yahoo.com.tw wrote:
I usually put a {{delete}} to a subpage that I do not want to use anymore and soon an admin will delete it for me. Maybe you can do that, too.
Ok, maybe that works well enough at EN Wikipedia. I tried it a couple of times later at Commons and discovered that 3+ months later the images were still there (could be extremely embarrassing if you uploaded the wrong image...)
On 6/16/06, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
User pages exist to serve the community and the project, not the users. As such, I think we should de-emphasize the notion of personal page ownership, and preserve community review on such pages. Improving these review and deletion processes, both on the policy and the technology level, strikes me as a better way to address any currently existing bottleneck situations.
That seems quite reasonable. Would a "special" {{delete}} template along the lines of "This isn't even in the main user space, can some admin just kill it?" be an improvement? You would have at least one pair of eyes checking it...
Steve
On 6/16/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
That seems quite reasonable. Would a "special" {{delete}} template along the lines of "This isn't even in the main user space, can some admin just kill it?" be an improvement? You would have at least one pair of eyes checking it...
If it also puts the page in the regular speedy deletion category, that might be a good idea.
Erik
On 6/16/06, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/16/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
That seems quite reasonable. Would a "special" {{delete}} template along the lines of "This isn't even in the main user space, can some admin just kill it?" be an improvement? You would have at least one pair of eyes checking it...
If it also puts the page in the regular speedy deletion category, that might be a good idea.
Better to use {{db-owner}}, it's specially for users requesting deletion of user subpages. There is only one category for speedy deletion candidates, but it's easy to spot pages in the "User" namespace.
On 6/16/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
6/16/06, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
And what if they've moved an article from the main namespace to their userspace? How would you prevent users deleting real articles in this way?
Ordinary users can move articles into their userspace???
Not only that, they can even wipe out entire pages or replace them with ASCII porn. ;-) Besides page moves, there are other problems, such as user pages used as collaborative work areas, new methods of trolling, and a possible incentive to use someone else's wiki as a temporary scratchpad for just about anything ("I'll just delete it later").
User pages exist to serve the community and the project, not the users. As such, I think we should de-emphasize the notion of personal page ownership, and preserve community review on such pages. Improving these review and deletion processes, both on the policy and the technology level, strikes me as a better way to address any currently existing bottleneck situations.
Erik
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