I am note sure who might be in a position to correct this, but this list seems the most likely..
For some reason sep11.wikipedia.org subdomain is forwarding to a spam site - this was pointed out on OTRS earlier.
I assume this was set up as a redirect to the 9/11 memories Wiki, and that site has since been taken over.
Can someone fix this?
Tom
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:42 PM, K. Peachey p858snake@gmail.com wrote:
Filed in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30261
This is an unfortunate consequence of pushing this site out of Wikimedia's hosting in 2006; the offsite mirror apparently didn't get maintained. :(
From mailing list archives, it looks like the mirror site we redirected it
to (sep11memories.org) was hosted by Jeff Merkey. According to WHOIS info he still owns the domain, but it expires on September 26.
Most likely Jeff moved other hosting around or something and it's just pointing to some old host that's now a spamfarm; if he's available and interested he may be able to set it back up or transfer the domain. (??)
If we need to set up a new mirror, a data dump is archived at http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/detail?name=sep11wiki.7z (from 2007, after we closed the site but before we removed it from the data dumps, as the DB was still present on the servers at least then).
-- brion
Brion Vibber wrote:
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:42 PM, K. Peacheyp858snake@gmail.com wrote:
Filed in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30261
This is an unfortunate consequence of pushing this site out of Wikimedia's hosting in 2006; the offsite mirror apparently didn't get maintained. :(
From mailing list archives, it looks like the mirror site we redirected it to (sep11memories.org) was hosted by Jeff Merkey. According to WHOIS info he still owns the domain, but it expires on September 26.
It may get automatically renewed.
Most likely Jeff moved other hosting around or something and it's just pointing to some old host that's now a spamfarm; if he's available and interested he may be able to set it back up or transfer the domain. (??)
The same problem (redirect to surveyfinddomain.com) happens with wolfmountaingroup.com And all of the (good ones and the spammy we are redirected to) are hosted in the same ip: 69.6.27.100, owned by the spam company OptInRealBig.com [1]. Seems that Jeffrey lost access to wolfmountaingroup.com last June (the current registration is from 2011/06/20) and the spammifying of that site affected sep11memories.org through the alias. Which means that we can no longer reach him through his @wolfmountaingroup.com email.
1- http://www.pcworld.com/article/112756/spam_slayer_doublespeak_in_the_spam_wa...
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
I am note sure who might be in a position to correct this, but this list seems the most likely..
For some reason sep11.wikipedia.org subdomain is forwarding to a spam site - this was pointed out on OTRS earlier.
I assume this was set up as a redirect to the 9/11 memories Wiki, and that site has since been taken over.
Can someone fix this?
I was sitting next to Rob Halsell while I was reading this. I let him know and he fixed it by removing the redirect.
- Ryan
I have an IT security related questing regarding that bogus internet web site to which sep11.wikipedia.org was redirected.
1. Is someone of you visited that site ? 2. There was a javascript box or something similar showing up. Has someone an indication, that the site installed bad things on visitors' machines ?
Please keep me informed.
Tom
The site was spammy but there didn't seem to be any actual malware. It would certainly have scammed your details though.
Tom
On 8 August 2011 19:17, Thomas Gries mail@tgries.de wrote:
I have an IT security related questing regarding that bogus internet web site to which sep11.wikipedia.org was redirected.
- Is someone of you visited that site ?
- There was a javascript box or something similar showing up. Has someone an indication, that the site installed bad things on
visitors' machines ?
Please keep me informed.
Tom
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Ryan Lane rlane32@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
I am note sure who might be in a position to correct this, but this list seems the most likely..
For some reason sep11.wikipedia.org subdomain is forwarding to a spam
site -
this was pointed out on OTRS earlier.
I assume this was set up as a redirect to the 9/11 memories Wiki, and
that
site has since been taken over.
Can someone fix this?
I was sitting next to Rob Halsell while I was reading this. I let him know and he fixed it by removing the redirect.
Redirect seems to be gone now, but it just shows the generic 'no wiki' page: http://sep11.wikipedia.org/
"Welcome to Wikimedia
Unfortunately, this wiki does not exist yet, or it has been closed. You may be looking for one of our other projects below. If you would like to request that this wiki be created, see the requests for new languageshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languagespage on Meta-Wiki."
So the site itself is probably no longer in our configurations; it either needs to be set back or replaced with a URL to a mirror that will actually stay around. (It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves at its own domain?)
-- brion
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
So the site itself is probably no longer in our configurations; it either needs to be set back or replaced with a URL to a mirror that will actually stay around. (It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves at its own domain?)
At the risk of sounding callous...do we even want the wiki anymore?
-Chad
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
So the site itself is probably no longer in our configurations; it either needs to be set back or replaced with a URL to a mirror that will
actually
stay around. (It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves
at
its own domain?)
At the risk of sounding callous...do we even want the wiki anymore?
It's fascinating cultural history (both of a country called "the USA" and - more importantly to some here perhaps? - of Wikipedia's early years) -- if we don't want it, well, I think that's a darn shame.
IIRC Erik Moeller was one of the drivers behind moving this tiny collection of pages (much smaller than thousands of other things we host) offsite in '06, and at the time even he seemed to agree that the pages had relevance and should be preserved:
"I believe our own project history is important and deserves respect and attention, even if we decide that a project is not within the scope of the Wikimedia Foundation, and especially when dealing with a subject such as this." http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/peESw2iBig7YE4ZlyQ8x
A number of related pages on meta appear to still be around, should anybody care to revisit these 5-year old discussions: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_to_do_with_entries_related_to_September_...
-- brion
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
It's fascinating cultural history (both of a country called "the USA" and - more importantly to some here perhaps? - of Wikipedia's early years) -- if we don't want it, well, I think that's a darn shame.
IIRC Erik Moeller was one of the drivers behind moving this tiny collection of pages (much smaller than thousands of other things we host) offsite in '06, and at the time even he seemed to agree that the pages had relevance and should be preserved:
For all your meta-history needs:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/9/11_wiki_move_proposal http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive/Septem...
and related links.
Also: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023757.html http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023819.html ;-)
It's too bad (if not entirely surprising) that the external site is no longer up; in the interest of preserving history I'd support archiving a static HTML or read-only wiki (ideally with minimal skin) copy under some subdirectory URL (dumps.wikimedia.org/whatever ). If we want to do a nicer job at it, we might start making a bit of a space for these collected pieces of wiki-history (Joseph Reagle's Wikipedia 10K Redux derived from the first dumps would be another candidate: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/~reagle/wp-redux/ )
But, let's please not reactivate sep11.wikipedia.org as anything other than a redirect to a different URL, to avoid confusion of readers/visitors coming in through search engines (even if we run a big banner explaining that it's archived for historical purposes, it's still likely to be confusing to folks under that domain name).
It does look like the Internet Archive nabbed a full copy of it from sep11memories.org (which had the final cleaned up version of the wiki). http://web.archive.org/web/20080807125041/http://www.sep11memories.org/
As the person who essentially built the September 11 wiki, I can say that permanently killing the project on the tenth anniversary of the attacks would be a telling testament to both the lost opportunities of Wikipedia itself and of human civilization, which did seem for a fleeting moment to have a chance at a greater unity, dashed by either realpolitick or a mad president, depending on how you view the world. Instead, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq trundle on, outlasting an effort of individual people to celebrate the wonder and beauty that are the collective lives of an essentially random and unremarkable collection of people, a reminder that encyclopedias of the past, that focus only on the glories of the great, don't truly tell the story of the world.
So it would be nice to figure out how to preserve the collection.
imho.
--tc
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
It's fascinating cultural history (both of a country called "the USA" and
more importantly to some here perhaps? - of Wikipedia's early years) --
if
we don't want it, well, I think that's a darn shame.
IIRC Erik Moeller was one of the drivers behind moving this tiny
collection
of pages (much smaller than thousands of other things we host) offsite in '06, and at the time even he seemed to agree that the pages had relevance and should be preserved:
For all your meta-history needs:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/9/11_wiki_move_proposal
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive/Septem...
and related links.
Also:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023757.html
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023819.html...)
It's too bad (if not entirely surprising) that the external site is no longer up; in the interest of preserving history I'd support archiving a static HTML or read-only wiki (ideally with minimal skin) copy under some subdirectory URL (dumps.wikimedia.org/whatever ). If we want to do a nicer job at it, we might start making a bit of a space for these collected pieces of wiki-history (Joseph Reagle's Wikipedia 10K Redux derived from the first dumps would be another candidate: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/~reagle/wp-redux/ )
But, let's please not reactivate sep11.wikipedia.org as anything other than a redirect to a different URL, to avoid confusion of readers/visitors coming in through search engines (even if we run a big banner explaining that it's archived for historical purposes, it's still likely to be confusing to folks under that domain name).
It does look like the Internet Archive nabbed a full copy of it from sep11memories.org (which had the final cleaned up version of the wiki). http://web.archive.org/web/20080807125041/http://www.sep11memories.org/
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:21 PM, The Cunctator cunctator@gmail.com wrote:
permanently killing the project
Who said anything about killing it?
Everyone's advocated for keeping it around. Erik's comment just suggested that we redirect sep11.wikipedia.org to a dumps.wikimedia.org address. The current situation is that the actual wiki is down and inaccessible -- so this thread is mostly about saving it.
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From: "The Cunctator" cunctator@gmail.com
As the person who essentially built the September 11 wiki, I can say that permanently killing the project on the tenth anniversary of the attacks would be a telling testament to both the lost opportunities of Wikipedia itself and of human civilization
"."
+5
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
For all your meta-history needs:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/9/11_wiki_move_proposal
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive/Septem...
and related links.
Also:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023757.html
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023819.html...)
Indeed -- as long as the data's accessible I'm content enough - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023835.html:)
Since then though we've removed it from the data dumps, so it's no longer possible for third parties to recover and host the pages (or do research on them) unless they happen to find a copy, and our own redirect points to a site that's down.
It's too bad (if not entirely surprising) that the external site is no
longer up; in the interest of preserving history I'd support archiving a static HTML or read-only wiki (ideally with minimal skin) copy under some subdirectory URL (dumps.wikimedia.org/whatever ). If we want to do a nicer job at it, we might start making a bit of a space for these collected pieces of wiki-history (Joseph Reagle's Wikipedia 10K Redux derived from the first dumps would be another candidate: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/~reagle/wp-redux/ )
*nod*
It's probably easier to set up a read-only wiki with similar configuration to nostalgia.wikipedia.org and slurp in the last dump than it will be to get static HTML dumping to work right.
This would also put the sep11 pages back into the downloadable data dumps, always in whatever the current format is, which I think has a maintenance benefit over making it a separate sui generis download that might get forgotten/deleted in the future (or just fall out of date with format changes).
But, let's please not reactivate sep11.wikipedia.org as anything other
than a redirect to a different URL, to avoid confusion of readers/visitors coming in through search engines (even if we run a big banner explaining that it's archived for historical purposes, it's still likely to be confusing to folks under that domain name).
It does look like the Internet Archive nabbed a full copy of it from sep11memories.org (which had the final cleaned up version of the wiki). http://web.archive.org/web/20080807125041/http://www.sep11memories.org/
As long as we keep it online and don't throw it away, I would very much appreciate keeping it online in some form and keeping a redirect from the old sep11.wikipedia.org URL.
If we can't get that organized immediately, I'd recommend at least putting in a redirect to the Wayback Machine URL asap -- we're just a few days from the 10th anniversary of the attacks, a very relevant time for people who might want to link to and comment on the old pages.
-- brion
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
If we can't get that organized immediately, I'd recommend at least putting in a redirect to the Wayback Machine URL asap -- we're just a few days from the 10th anniversary of the attacks, a very relevant time for people who might want to link to and comment on the old pages.
That's easy enough, filing a request.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
If we can't get that organized immediately, I'd recommend at least
putting
in a redirect to the Wayback Machine URL asap -- we're just a few days
from
the 10th anniversary of the attacks, a very relevant time for people who might want to link to and comment on the old pages.
That's easy enough, filing a request.
Thanks! Ah, in the olden days we'd have logged in and done this ourselves... and then probably gotten our changes accidentally overwritten by the next admin. ;)
-- brion
Στις 06-09-2011, ημέρα Τρι, και ώρα 17:07 -0700, ο/η Brion Vibber έγραψε:
<snip>
Indeed -- as long as the data's accessible I'm content enough - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023835.html:)
Since then though we've removed it from the data dumps, so it's no longer possible for third parties to recover and host the pages (or do research on them) unless they happen to find a copy, and our own redirect points to a site that's down.
Actually the dump is still there and available for download; the link doesn't show up in the index list because it's no longer in the list of live projects. However, interested parties can get it from here:
http://dumps.wikimedia.org/sep11wiki/
I have added a link to this from the front page of the download host. Any other inactive wikis people are missing? We might have the dumps for them lying around, even if old ones.
Ariel
Woohoo! Thanks :)
-- brion On Sep 6, 2011 10:51 PM, "Ariel T. Glenn" ariel@wikimedia.org wrote:
Στις 06-09-2011, ημέρα Τρι, και ώρα 17:07 -0700, ο/η Brion Vibber έγραψε:
<snip>
Indeed -- as long as the data's accessible I'm content enough -
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023835.html :)
Since then though we've removed it from the data dumps, so it's no longer possible for third parties to recover and host the pages (or do research
on
them) unless they happen to find a copy, and our own redirect points to a site that's down.
Actually the dump is still there and available for download; the link doesn't show up in the index list because it's no longer in the list of live projects. However, interested parties can get it from here:
http://dumps.wikimedia.org/sep11wiki/
I have added a link to this from the front page of the download host. Any other inactive wikis people are missing? We might have the dumps for them lying around, even if old ones.
Ariel
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
(It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves at its own domain?)
Would it, though? I thought it was moved off Wikimedia's servers on purpose, because it's not really something that we want to be hosting. It's not really related to our mission and is a little USA-centric.
That's what I always thought was the reason it was moved off, at least. You were probably around back then though, so you'd know better. :-)
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