Hoi, There are many languages that are not in the ISO 639 codes. There were suggestions of using the ethnologue codes for these. As there is also a ISO 639-4 code, I think it would suggest that we use this one in stead for use within wiktionary.
ISO-639-4 is currently in the RFC state (request for comment).
Thanks, GerardM
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:52:18 +0100, Gerard Meijssen gerardm@myrealbox.com wrote:
There are many languages that are not in the ISO 639 codes. There were suggestions of using the ethnologue codes for these. As there is also a ISO 639-4 code, I think it would suggest that we use this one in stead for use within wiktionary.
For the language codes for Wikipedia and Wiktionary languages, upto now it has always been decided at the spur of the moment. What has been done is:
* 'fanrasy' three letter-code: als * complete name: tokipona, minnan * ISO 639-2 code for a group plus ethnologue code: roa-rup (formerly done for min-nan as well)
However, I assume you are asking this for codes for translations in those languages, rather than for setting up a wiktionary in this language. I think that in that case, it's more something to decide internally on Wiktionary.
Still, I would advise against using ethnologue codes. Not only are they often rather random, with no connection to the name of the language, they are also a set of three-letter codes and as such might conflict with ISO 639-2.
Andre Engels
Andre Engels wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:52:18 +0100, Gerard Meijssen gerardm@myrealbox.com wrote:
There are many languages that are not in the ISO 639 codes. There were suggestions of using the ethnologue codes for these. As there is also a ISO 639-4 code, I think it would suggest that we use this one in stead for use within wiktionary.
For the language codes for Wikipedia and Wiktionary languages, upto now it has always been decided at the spur of the moment. What has been done is:
- 'fanrasy' three letter-code: als
- complete name: tokipona, minnan
- ISO 639-2 code for a group plus ethnologue code: roa-rup (formerly
done for min-nan as well)
However, I assume you are asking this for codes for translations in those languages, rather than for setting up a wiktionary in this language. I think that in that case, it's more something to decide internally on Wiktionary.
Still, I would advise against using ethnologue codes. Not only are they often rather random, with no connection to the name of the language, they are also a set of three-letter codes and as such might conflict with ISO 639-2.
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http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/render_download.php?site_id=nrsi&form... is the RFC for the next generation of ISO-639 codes. These codes ARE compatible with the previous codes. Codes that have been in use and have been dicontinued, will not be re-used. It says so in the document.
In the wikionary context we will use these codes as it serves a puprose. Even "Stellingwerfs" has a code :)
There has been some discussion of using Ethnologue codes when there is no IS0639 code; when used these can be identified as being all capitals. With the big increase of the new ISO 639 codes, we may regret using "fantasy" names as they may be assigned to a language by this list.
I am not asking for any new projects. But I would argue that when a fantasy code is in use and, there is a relevant code in this list, that they are changed. I would also argue that when the whole name is used, and there is a new code, this would be changed as well.
Thanks, GerardM
On Nov 3, 2004, at 6:05 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
There has been some discussion of using Ethnologue codes when there is no IS0639 code; when used these can be identified as being all capitals. With the big increase of the new ISO 639 codes, we may regret using "fantasy" names as they may be assigned to a language by this list.
Just to make sure you know: internet domain names are not case-sensitive. Names in all caps cannot be distinguished from lowercase names.
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