Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome.
Best regards,
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW/Design_Document
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- Re: Wikimedia Commons Video Uploads waiting (Bug #58155) (Manuel Schneider)
- Re: Request for comments: Localisation format changes (Arthur Richards)
- Re: FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites (Quim Gil)
- Re: FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites (Amir E. Aharoni)
- Bug Fixing: #21481 (Amanpreet Singh)
- Re: MediaWiki Homepage Redesign (Quim Gil)
- Re: OAuth currently broken on wikis with CirrusSearch (Nikolas Everett)
- Announcement: Kunal Mehta joins Wikimedia as Features Contractor (Terry Chay)
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:02:12 +0100 From: Manuel Schneider <manuel.schneider@wikimedia.chhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch
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Thanks a lot to Hashar and those who helped!
I am very happy, I just added the videos to the program page of the conference and will send a mail to our community in a minute. They will be very happy as well!
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiCon_2013/Programm
Regards,
/Manuel
Am 12.12.2013 18:36, schrieb Antoine Musso:
All files have been uploaded now! Please contact me if there is any issue :-)
Thanks to Ariel Glenn and Nemo bis for the useful commands.
-- Manuel Schneider - Chief Information Officer Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 340 66 22 - www.wikimedia.ch
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:04:56 -0700 From: Arthur Richards <arichards@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=arichards@wikimedia.org
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Cool!
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) < smazeland@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=smazeland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
We have also proposed to discuss this RfC in the upcoming RfC review meeting of 2013-12-18[1]. As far as we know, no time has been set for
this
meeting, yet.
The WMF Engineering calendar shows the RfC review meeting at 2-3pm PST on 2013-12-18.
-- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:38:41 -0800 From: Quim Gil <qgil@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=qgil@wikimedia.org
To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites Message-ID: <52AA02B1.8080103@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=52AA02B1.8080103@wikimedia.org
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On 12/11/2013 11:21 AM, Chad wrote:
Sending wiki edits to Gerrit for review? Absolutely not.
I'm totally cool with the idea of code review for Gadgets & so forth,
just
not using Gerrit. We considered it for Scribunto (and heck, I wrote half of a proof of concept) but shot it down because the idea totally sucked.
I think I agree with your conclusion, but based on my assumptions. It would be useful to know why you think it sucked.
Alright, not on Gerrit. Where?
Even if projects enjoy their freedom to use and modify their gadgets, I don't think anybody particularly enjoys having to copy (and eventually localize) gadgets found in other projects. Definitely nobody enjoys having to fix or re-sync those gadgets years later, when something breaks and editors complain in the local village pump.
The idea of global invocation and a central repository is being considered for templates [1]. Couldn't this be also an approach for gadgets? Still developed directly on top of MediaWiki, with or without mechanisms like flaggedrevs, but at least better coordinated and watched in a reference site. Then projects would be free to rely on those "upstream" gadgets directly, or to create their own forks, that could be still documented as such and be hosted in the central repository.
Many times the copy of gadgets across projects involves localization of strings that are hardcoded, an extra obstacle for anybody willing to re-sync gadgets. Separation of code and strings for proper localization would be an addition that all non-English projects would welcome as well, allowing automatic resync of the code without translation blockers.
In theory, mediawiki.org could be not only the central repository for extensions, but also for templates, gadgets, and bots. With a central catalog of software, quality assurance and user feedback could be better articulated. Wikimedia projects would benefit just as much as any MediaWiki instance out there, without stealing any freedom from them.
[1] Bug 39610 - Scribunto should support global module invocations ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39610
-- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:46:18 +0200 From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.ilhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
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On 12/11/2013 11:21 AM, Chad wrote:
Sending wiki edits to Gerrit for review? Absolutely not.
I'm totally cool with the idea of code review for Gadgets & so forth,
just
not using Gerrit. We considered it for Scribunto (and heck, I wrote half
of a
proof of concept) but shot it down because the idea totally sucked.
I think I agree with your conclusion, but based on my assumptions. It would be useful to know why you think it sucked.
Alright, not on Gerrit. Where?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadgets_2.0 ?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 00:40:24 +0530 From: Amanpreet Singh <amanpreet.iitr2013@gmail.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=amanpreet.iitr2013@gmail.com
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Hi, I am new to wikimedia,
I want to start bug fixing for wikimedia so I have started from this annoying little bug
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21481
Can somebody guide me from where to start and search for fixing this bug,
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:57:36 -0800 From: Quim Gil <qgil@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=qgil@wikimedia.org
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Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Homepage Redesign Message-ID: <52AA1530.1000106@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=52AA1530.1000106@wikimedia.org
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Hi Brena!
We have already discussed in person (remotely) but here goes a public reply as well.
On 12/02/2013 11:47 AM, Brena Monteiro wrote:
Hello everyone,
I'm selected to participate of OPW and I will work at MediaWiki Homepage Redesign project in which Quim and Heather are my mentors.
Yes!
To anybody interested: the goal is to have a proposal to replace the current mediawiki.org homepage by March 10 (end of Brena's OPW internship). Ideally this proposal will consist on a wiki page that can just be copied and pasted.
The steps to get there are described at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW#Deliverables
Your feedback is welcome. We also want to identify reviewers willing to pay special attention to this project, contributing feedback and helping to reach decisions. If you are interested, please step in.
My first activity is identify the main problems at current homepage. I'm watching the page: "Requests for comment/MediaWiki.org Main Page tweaks" [1] and I would like to emphasise that all collaboration is welcome.
After a chat yesterday between Brena, Heather and myself, we agreed that the next step is to agree on a design document.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Project_Design_Review_Process#Design_Docu...
We need to deal with one wiki page only (an important wiki page, but not as complex as the user interface of a full application), but still this document will be important to define what we want to do, and why.
Then mockups. Then wiki implementation. Trying to sign off each phase reaching community consensus.
For those willing to get involved now, at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Monteirobrena/OPW#Design_document
I just created topics to discuss the renaming of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW and set up its right scope...
... and also the actions to close officially
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_... after integrating the relevant details to the design document.
Most of the communication will happen around those wiki pages. Brena will use this list for announcements and wider requests for feedback. You can also find us on #mediawiki IRC.
-- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:08:40 -0500 From: Nikolas Everett <neverett@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=neverett@wikimedia.org
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Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth currently broken on wikis with CirrusSearch Message-ID: < CAP+xBbXMANmT0FqfjAaSLkLZbUknLoEiqfOzFgUcHb0HZp7EqA@mail.gmail.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=CAP%2BxBbXMANmT0FqfjAaSLkLZbUknLoEiqfOzFgUcHb0HZp7EqA@mail.gmail.com
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Nikolas Everett <neverett@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=neverett@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Note that the wikis that say they were deployed on December 11th but do not have a strike through them have Cirrus running, but their indexes are still being built. I believe OAuth will be broken on those wikis as
well.
This requires two fixes to actually fix, both of which are in review
state
pending approval, another test on beta, and eventual deployment. We
should
have them out sometime in the next few hours.
I've just verified the fix in production. Please let me know if any of you are still seeing the error.
Thanks,
Nik
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:08:18 -0800 From: Terry Chay <tchay@wikimedia.orghttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=tchay@wikimedia.org
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Hello everyone,
It’s with great pleasure that I’m announcing that Kunal Mehta[1] has joined the Wikimedia Foundation as contractor in Features Engineering.
Before joining us (and currently), Kunal is a student in college, switching from computer science to business administration for reasons that I’m sure warrant more discussion.
Kunal is currently a Wikipedia admin got involved working on the projects 8 years ago. He also helps writing and maintaining bots (legoktm <3’s pywikibot) and working on the nether regions of the volunteer developer community as part of the Volunteer Response Team, which he currently continues to do[2]. I met him at Wikimania through a Wikidata scholarship because apparently we were too cheap to spring for his ticket.
Kunal will be working with the Core Features Team since MassMessage[3] and Echo[4] have overlapping concerns, and Flow[5] can use more development support now that it is out. When he isn’t doing that you’ll see him around adding this and that to core or the bots. :-)
Kunal lives and goes to school in San Jose. Most importantly, he’s unlocked level 2 in Naan Sense on FourSquare[6]. From his username on the projects, I’d also bet he must like Lego Mindstorms[7].
For the record, Kunal, I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
As you have guessed from my usual tardiness and my drive to finish my announcements before the calendar year, his first official day was actually October 28th (Only two months ago? Not bad, not bad at all).
Please join me in a belated welcome of Kunal Mehta to the Wikimedia Foundation.
Take care, Terry
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On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote:
Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome.
Best regards,
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW/Design_Document
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I apologise if I'm being daft here, but why exactly is a design document needed for this (or for)? It is good that you're working on it, of course, but I'm also a bit confused.
-I
A) it's a good exercise to learn with; B) it's good practice to make them for all projects, regardless of size, I only to help solidify one's thinking.
We should do LESS designing in code, not more.
Snt frm my iPhne
On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote: Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome.
Best regards,
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW/Design_Document
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I apologise if I'm being daft here, but why exactly is a design document needed for this (or for)? It is good that you're working on it, of course, but I'm also a bit confused.
-I
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But what makes it good? What does 'solidify thinking' mean?
-I
On 16/12/13 18:54, Brandon Harris wrote:
A) it's a good exercise to learn with; B) it's good practice to make them for all projects, regardless of size, I only to help solidify one's thinking.
We should do LESS designing in code, not more.
Snt frm my iPhne
On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote: Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome.
Best regards,
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW/Design_Document
Brena Monteiro +55 27 98109 0123 @monteirobrena http://twitter.com/monteirobrena Reflexões Brenianas http://monteirobrena.wordpress.com
I apologise if I'm being daft here, but why exactly is a design document needed for this (or for)? It is good that you're working on it, of course, but I'm also a bit confused.
-I
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote:
Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome.
Best regards,
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW/Design_Document
Brena Monteiro +55 27 98109 0123 @monteirobrena http://twitter.com/monteirobrena Reflexões Brenianas http://monteirobrena.wordpress.com
I apologise if I'm being daft here, but why exactly is a design document needed for this (or for)? It is good that you're working on it, of course, but I'm also a bit confused.
I'm not sure either. I'd rather just see bold edits to the homepage that make it look nicer.
This is a content thing, not a software design thing imho.
If interested users can't edit the homepage on mw.org, we can fix that easily too.
-Chad
On 12/16/2013 10:59 AM, Chad wrote:
I'm not sure either. I'd rather just see bold edits to the homepage that make it look nicer.
This is a content thing, not a software design thing imho.
If interested users can't edit the homepage on mw.org, we can fix that easily too.
"make it look nicer", heh. :) The mediawiki.org homepage needs more than that.
When you want to improve something complex, it is good to know what you want to improve, why, and how. Brena is working on the answers to these basic questions in order to propose a plan. Bold edits might lead you to a good solution by chance, but the chances of failing, delaying, and wasting energy unnecessarily are high.
From a technical point of view, bold edits are not that simple in a
homepage that is pulling 35 templates, 21 of them exclusive to Main_page. Any significant change probably involves editing/creating wikitext, graphics, HTML, and CSS sitting in different places. I'm not a designer, but as a content editor I would also welcome a plan agreed before jumping there.
From a social point of view, bold edits to the homepage of a popular
community site are only productive when you know where you are heading, the community is aware as well, and there is consensus. The chances of someone asking 'Why are you doing this?' before reverting are just too high, unless you limit yourself to polish non-challenging details.
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