Hi, just a quick note: as part of general search and discovery work, me and Yuri are resurrecting the project to have OpenStreetMap in Wikimedia starting in April. Because the initial part of this work will include researching options which will influence precise goals and this is yet to be done, we still can't commit to a precise timeline, but as a ballpark estimate I personally want to aim for serving PNG tiles at a reasonable, though not necessarily "dynamic maps on every WP page" scale by the end of Q4. Vector/multilingual maps would be the next stage. We will be mostly using Phabricator for planning, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/openstreetmap/ is my first pass on the outline of things to be done.
Your comments and suggestions would be highly appreciated, please share your thoughts, ideas of projects that might use these maps, or just merciless critique! :D
One foundation to rule them all? :P
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, just a quick note: as part of general search and discovery work, me and Yuri are resurrecting the project to have OpenStreetMap in Wikimedia starting in April. Because the initial part of this work will include researching options which will influence precise goals and this is yet to be done, we still can't commit to a precise timeline, but as a ballpark estimate I personally want to aim for serving PNG tiles at a reasonable, though not necessarily "dynamic maps on every WP page" scale by the end of Q4. Vector/multilingual maps would be the next stage. We will be mostly using Phabricator for planning, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/openstreetmap/ is my first pass on the outline of things to be done.
Your comments and suggestions would be highly appreciated, please share your thoughts, ideas of projects that might use these maps, or just merciless critique! :D
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Looks like just a collaboration :-)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikipedia
Obviously we should be doing our own tile rendering and serving, for example.
On 18 March 2015 at 09:09, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
One foundation to rule them all? :P
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, just a quick note: as part of general search and discovery work, me and Yuri are resurrecting the project to have OpenStreetMap in Wikimedia starting in April. Because the initial part of this work will include researching options which will influence precise goals and this is yet to be done, we still can't commit to a precise timeline, but as a ballpark estimate I personally want to aim for serving PNG tiles at a reasonable, though not necessarily "dynamic maps on every WP page" scale by the end of Q4. Vector/multilingual maps would be the next stage. We will be mostly using Phabricator for planning, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/openstreetmap/ is my first pass on the outline of things to be done.
Your comments and suggestions would be highly appreciated, please share your thoughts, ideas of projects that might use these maps, or just merciless critique! :D
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David Gerard wrote:
Looks like just a collaboration :-)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikipedia
Obviously we should be doing our own tile rendering and serving, for example.
Thanks for these links.
I believe OpenStreetMap previously had a relationship with Wikimedia Germany and the Toolserver(?). I'm not sure if that endeavor is related to this one. And I'm not sure what the scopes of these projects are.
It looks like this new project would be the Wikimedia Foundation acting as both the (tile)server and the client, using data from OpenStreetMap. Is that correct? If so, will the tileserver be considered a public service for use outside of Wikimedia wikis? And will this service be hosted on Wikimedia Labs?
Expanding the mediawiki.org and Meta-Wiki pages to include more information about the history here would be great.
MZMcBride
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:01 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I believe OpenStreetMap previously had a relationship with Wikimedia Germany and the Toolserver(?). I'm not sure if that endeavor is related to this one. And I'm not sure what the scopes of these projects are.
Toolserver's gone, right?
It looks like this new project would be the Wikimedia Foundation acting as both the (tile)server and the client, using data from OpenStreetMap. Is that correct?
Yes.
If so, will the tileserver be considered a public service for use outside of Wikimedia wikis?
TBD.
And will this service be hosted on Wikimedia Labs?
No, on real hardware.
Expanding the mediawiki.org and Meta-Wiki pages to include more information about the history here would be great.
Hey, we're still working on fulfilling our previous commitments. Everything will come, just not instantaneously;)
Heh, I'm not sure if I should laugh or groan. IIRC, Erik, Yuvi and others are prioritizing Labs reliability improvements for the next FY. I hope so.
Pine On Mar 18, 2015 11:03 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi
What is meant by "real hardware" ? Can we have some at Labs please? Thanks, GerardM
And will this service be hosted on Wikimedia Labs?
No, on real hardware.
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Hoi, Yes, and that why the Labs hardware should not be talked down. It is or it is not and truth apparently is in the eye of the one who sees it in its way. Thanks, GerardM
On 19 March 2015 at 07:15, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Heh, I'm not sure if I should laugh or groan. IIRC, Erik, Yuvi and others are prioritizing Labs reliability improvements for the next FY. I hope so.
Pine On Mar 18, 2015 11:03 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi
What is meant by "real hardware" ? Can we have some at Labs please? Thanks, GerardM
And will this service be hosted on Wikimedia Labs?
No, on real hardware.
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On Mar 19, 2015 2:03 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
What is meant by "real hardware" ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_metal_%28computer%29
Can we have some at Labs please?
Labs nodes provisioned for and by labs users are virtual machines.
Labs has dedicated bare metal just for labs but it is not directly exposed to labs users.
We could theoretically copy the approach at http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/servers/onmetal but that probably would not be a very good allocation of resources. (both capital and human) Labs is well suited for virtualization. (nova and the other OSM, OpenstackManager are not perfect. We can and do fix them and if needed can explore other options. but bare metal is unnecessary for all labs workloads I'm aware of)
-Jeremy
Glad to hear of this idea. We've discussed potential collaborations with OSM in Cascadia Wikimedians meetings.
Pine On Mar 18, 2015 2:08 AM, "Max Semenik" maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, just a quick note: as part of general search and discovery work, me and Yuri are resurrecting the project to have OpenStreetMap in Wikimedia starting in April. Because the initial part of this work will include researching options which will influence precise goals and this is yet to be done, we still can't commit to a precise timeline, but as a ballpark estimate I personally want to aim for serving PNG tiles at a reasonable, though not necessarily "dynamic maps on every WP page" scale by the end of Q4. Vector/multilingual maps would be the next stage. We will be mostly using Phabricator for planning, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/openstreetmap/ is my first pass on the outline of things to be done.
Your comments and suggestions would be highly appreciated, please share your thoughts, ideas of projects that might use these maps, or just merciless critique! :D
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, just a quick note: as part of general search and discovery work, me and Yuri are resurrecting the project to have OpenStreetMap in Wikimedia starting in April. Because the initial part of this work will include researching options which will influence precise goals and this is yet to be done, we still can't commit to a precise timeline, but as a ballpark estimate I personally want to aim for serving PNG tiles at a reasonable, though not necessarily "dynamic maps on every WP page" scale by the end of Q4. Vector/multilingual maps would be the next stage. We will be mostly using Phabricator for planning, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/openstreetmap/ is my first pass on the outline of things to be done.
Your comments and suggestions would be highly appreciated, please share your thoughts, ideas of projects that might use these maps, or just merciless critique! :D
Commons also needs a tileserver, for zooming of huge images such as high-resolution artwork scans. I wonder if there is some overlap.
While the technology is somewhat similar, I don't think it makes sense to jam this into the mod_tile/renderd stack we'll most likely use, a separate service would seem like less PITA in this case.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, just a quick note: as part of general search and discovery work, me
and
Yuri are resurrecting the project to have OpenStreetMap in Wikimedia starting in April. Because the initial part of this work will include researching options which will influence precise goals and this is yet to be done, we still can't commit to a precise timeline, but as a ballpark estimate I personally want to aim for serving PNG tiles at a reasonable, though not necessarily "dynamic maps on every WP page" scale by the end
of
Q4. Vector/multilingual maps would be the next stage. We will be mostly using Phabricator for planning, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/openstreetmap/ is my first pass on the outline of things to be done.
Your comments and suggestions would be highly appreciated, please share your thoughts, ideas of projects that might use these maps, or just merciless critique! :D
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Very nice to hear. I am, of course, especially excited about the multilingual maps part.
Just in case you haven't seen this: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2015-March/005572.html
(And the replies to it.)
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2015-03-18 11:06 GMT+02:00 Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com:
Hi, just a quick note: as part of general search and discovery work, me and Yuri are resurrecting the project to have OpenStreetMap in Wikimedia starting in April. Because the initial part of this work will include researching options which will influence precise goals and this is yet to be done, we still can't commit to a precise timeline, but as a ballpark estimate I personally want to aim for serving PNG tiles at a reasonable, though not necessarily "dynamic maps on every WP page" scale by the end of Q4. Vector/multilingual maps would be the next stage. We will be mostly using Phabricator for planning, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/openstreetmap/ is my first pass on the outline of things to be done.
Your comments and suggestions would be highly appreciated, please share your thoughts, ideas of projects that might use these maps, or just merciless critique! :D
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