This is *such* a good idea. Very much the way "Talk" should be implemented
by default, and would be transformative for the sorts of edtind and collab
I do on live as well as draft articles.
Most readers dont know Talk exists; most logged in readers dont take time
to check talk when browsing, new updates to talk make no impact on the page
if you don't look, most talk sections relate.to specific paragraphs and
words, &c :)
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To some of the concerns:
Comments should be editable / revertable by others, just as Talk is now.
Any edits are a vector for potential spam and misinfo. These would be
edits. Not a new problem, but this should check page protection before
making the hook that's visible to all gadget users. (Maybe if protection
blocked it can still generate the talk of section, with the same templates
link from the talk page to the appropriate article section/snippet, but not
show up on the article view?)
Hypothesis is still pretty all or nothing, can't do the above or sync w
Talk pg.
🌍🌏🌎🌑
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 5:12 AM Felipe Schenone <schenonef(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone for all the info, pointers and
comments!
@Subbu: Indeed that was the one I read about, thanks!
@Thiemo: What I'm thinking of is a *gadget*, so it would be available on
Wikimedia wikis (and any other) but only for users that choose to enable it
(similar to my gadget MiniEdit <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MiniEdit>).
The gadget would allow its users to highlight some text and publish a
comment to the talk page along with the highlighted text and parent
paragraph (for context). Like so:
In ancient times, the use of solar energy was believed to have existed in
civilizations amidst the Greeks
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece>, Romans
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome> and the Chinese
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_China>, though not for cooking.[3]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cooker#cite_note-3>
Did it exist or not? The source says it did, so if no objections are
raised, I'll remove this.
Only users with the gadget enabled would be able to see the highlighted
text and comment in the article itself. The rest would only see it in the
talk page.
Because of the way I'm thinking the gadget would work, if the
wikitext/HTML of the parent paragraph changes (for example because the
issue got fixed), then the comment would stop showing in the article to
users with the gadget enabled. This is because the wikitext/HTML of the
paragraph itself would act as the anchor or identifier that would allow the
gadget to know where to insert the comment. This may be sub-optimal in some
cases, but it's the only way I can think of doing it without having the
gadget insert things into the wikitext of the article (which would be a
definitive no-no). In any case, the comments would always be available in
the talk page.
To be honest though, some of your comments have made me question if this
could be useful, but I think given the way it would work, and considering
it would be an optional gadget that won't be available to random visitors,
it should be harmless, and time will tell if it ever becomes popular. I'm
working on a crude prototype and will share it shortly. Any insights, ideas
or comments are welcome!
Kind regards,
On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 11:28 PM Subramanya Sastry <ssastry(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
On 12/8/23 03:12, Felipe Schenone wrote:
Hi! I'm thinking on writing a gadget to add
inline comments to
articles, similar to how Google Docs comments work.
However, I'm sure I recently read somewhere about someone developing
an extension or something with the same goal, but now I can't find it
anywhere. Anyone knows?
https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2023/Extension_for_crea…
may be what you heard about?
Subbu.
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