Greetings All,
Over the last couple of weeks a group of devs from Nitobi have been putting together an Android Wikipedia App for us. They've been using the PhoneGap framework to build the app and now it mostly has the same features as our iOS app. I think it's finally gotten to a good state for people to start hacking on it.
For those just wanting to get started here are the links
code: https://github.com/nitobi/Wikipedia bugs: http://bit.ly/q1B9Bj feature ideas: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/App_Features_&_Roadmap#Fe...
Right now the code is sitting in github but the plan is to move it into our own git repo, alongside MediaWiki.
How can you help?
* Fork the code and help us with open bug requests * Critique the code and suggest cleanup * Port the app to iOS, Symbian, BlackBerry, Windows, WebOS, & Bada — first get it running, then customize to each platform's look and feel * Start to hack on new features like image uploads, starting a new article, offline article saving, openZIM support, etc ... * Localization for the user interface * ... and whatever else you can come up with
Don't worry if you don't know Objective C, Java, etc .. All you need to know is HTML5, CSS3, and JS. It's really simple to write these apps.
Lots of pretty screen shots and a user flow diagram here : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/WikipediaAndroidApp
Come join us on #wikimedia-mobile and let us know how it goes.
--tomasz
One good question that Brion just asked me was when we plan to release this app to the Android market.
We'd like to get the baseline app in the android market two weeks from now. To track what we need to fix check out our tracker bug
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31447
We need your help to make it happen.
--tomasz
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
Greetings All,
Over the last couple of weeks a group of devs from Nitobi have been putting together an Android Wikipedia App for us. They've been using the PhoneGap framework to build the app and now it mostly has the same features as our iOS app. I think it's finally gotten to a good state for people to start hacking on it.
For those just wanting to get started here are the links
code: https://github.com/nitobi/Wikipedia bugs: http://bit.ly/q1B9Bj feature ideas: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/App_Features_&_Roadmap#Fe...
Right now the code is sitting in github but the plan is to move it into our own git repo, alongside MediaWiki.
How can you help?
- Fork the code and help us with open bug requests
- Critique the code and suggest cleanup
- Port the app to iOS, Symbian, BlackBerry, Windows, WebOS, & Bada —
first get it running, then customize to each platform's look and feel
- Start to hack on new features like image uploads, starting a new
article, offline article saving, openZIM support, etc ...
- Localization for the user interface
- ... and whatever else you can come up with
Don't worry if you don't know Objective C, Java, etc .. All you need to know is HTML5, CSS3, and JS. It's really simple to write these apps.
Lots of pretty screen shots and a user flow diagram here : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/WikipediaAndroidApp
Come join us on #wikimedia-mobile and let us know how it goes.
--tomasz
Awesome! Haven't had a reason to fire up my Android environment recently. I'll give it a shot.
-Chad On Oct 6, 2011 9:26 PM, "Tomasz Finc" tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
One good question that Brion just asked me was when we plan to release this app to the Android market.
We'd like to get the baseline app in the android market two weeks from now. To track what we need to fix check out our tracker bug
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31447
We need your help to make it happen.
--tomasz
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
Greetings All,
Over the last couple of weeks a group of devs from Nitobi have been putting together an Android Wikipedia App for us. They've been using the PhoneGap framework to build the app and now it mostly has the same features as our iOS app. I think it's finally gotten to a good state for people to start hacking on it.
For those just wanting to get started here are the links
code: https://github.com/nitobi/Wikipedia bugs: http://bit.ly/q1B9Bj feature ideas:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/App_Features_&_Roadmap#Fe...
Right now the code is sitting in github but the plan is to move it into our own git repo, alongside MediaWiki.
How can you help?
- Fork the code and help us with open bug requests
- Critique the code and suggest cleanup
- Port the app to iOS, Symbian, BlackBerry, Windows, WebOS, & Bada —
first get it running, then customize to each platform's look and feel
- Start to hack on new features like image uploads, starting a new
article, offline article saving, openZIM support, etc ...
- Localization for the user interface
- ... and whatever else you can come up with
Don't worry if you don't know Objective C, Java, etc .. All you need to know is HTML5, CSS3, and JS. It's really simple to write these apps.
Lots of pretty screen shots and a user flow diagram here : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/WikipediaAndroidApp
Come join us on #wikimedia-mobile and let us know how it goes.
--tomasz
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(Cross-posting this to fundraising mailing list, as I suspect not many Fundraisers read Wikitech-l)
Summary: WMF is going to release an Android Wikipedia app shortly (other mobile OS will get an app, too)
On 10/07/2011 03:25 AM, Tomasz Finc wrote:
One good question that Brion just asked me was when we plan to release this app to the Android market.
How about making a free version and an (identical!) "Support Wikipedia" version that has absolutly the same features, but costs $2 that go to WMF as a donation? :) Why we should do this: It's an extremly simple way for users to donate money. No entering of credit card or bank account information necessary, just select one app instead of another.
Very rough estimate: 20M total downloads, 0.5% download the "Support Wikipedia" version for $2, that's $200k.
Sounds like something we should experiment with.
-- Tobias
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From: "church.of.emacs.ml" church.of.emacs.ml@googlemail.com
How about making a free version and an (identical!) "Support Wikipedia" version that has absolutly the same features, but costs $2 that go to WMF as a donation? :) Why we should do this: It's an extremly simple way for users to donate money. No entering of credit card or bank account information necessary, just select one app instead of another.
I concur.
On a separate topic, it would probably be useful if someone built nightlies of the repo, so that those of us who are good usability test types but not necessarily coders or set up to build can contribute too; the original announcement didn't sound like that was in the plans. Is it practical?
Cheers, -- jra
Hoi. One distinct advantage of daily builds is that you use these to distribute improved localisations... Will this app come to translatewiki.net ? If so, it does make sense to build this functionality that is similar to what is offered by thr localisationupdate extrnsion. Thanks, GerardM
2011/10/7 Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "church.of.emacs.ml" church.of.emacs.ml@googlemail.com
How about making a free version and an (identical!) "Support Wikipedia" version that has absolutly the same features, but costs $2 that go to WMF as a donation? :) Why we should do this: It's an extremly simple way for users to donate money. No entering of credit card or bank account information necessary, just select one app instead of another.
I concur.
On a separate topic, it would probably be useful if someone built nightlies of the repo, so that those of us who are good usability test types but not necessarily coders or set up to build can contribute too; the original announcement didn't sound like that was in the plans. Is it practical?
Cheers,
-- jra
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2011/10/7 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
Hoi. One distinct advantage of daily builds is that you use these to distribute improved localisations... Will this app come to translatewiki.net ? If so, it does make sense to build this functionality that is similar to what is offered by thr localisationupdate extrnsion.
We're working on getting the localization infrastructure set up: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31467
Should end up on TWN soon. :)
-- brion
2011/10/7 Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com
On a separate topic, it would probably be useful if someone built nightlies of the repo, so that those of us who are good usability test types but not necessarily coders or set up to build can contribute too; the original announcement didn't sound like that was in the plans. Is it practical?
I think that would be pretty easy to set up; stuck a note in BZ so we don't forget: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31498
-- brion
Phone Gap build might be able to do this for us. If not I'm sure were could rig something up. On Oct 7, 2011 9:52 AM, "Brion Vibber" brion@pobox.com wrote:
2011/10/7 Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com
On a separate topic, it would probably be useful if someone built
nightlies
of the repo, so that those of us who are good usability test types but
not
necessarily coders or set up to build can contribute too; the original announcement didn't sound like that was in the plans. Is it practical?
I think that would be pretty easy to set up; stuck a note in BZ so we
don't
forget: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31498
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2011/10/7 Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org
Phone Gap build might be able to do this for us. If not I'm sure were could rig something up.
I think rather than have two identical versions in the Market, which would no doubt confuse a great many people, I would strongly suggest that we implement a "pay what you want" sliding scale for our apps on both iPhone and Android. If X app store doesn't support it, then I'd suggest we set up our own app repository in addition at something like apps.wikipedia.org. (We should probably be doing that anyway to promote this work.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_what_you_want
Steven
On 10/07/2011 11:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
I think rather than have two identical versions in the Market, which would no doubt confuse a great many people, I would strongly suggest that we implement a "pay what you want" sliding scale for our apps on both iPhone and Android. If X app store doesn't support it, then I'd suggest we set up our own app repository in addition at something like apps.wikipedia.org. (We should probably be doing that anyway to promote this work.)
Oh, speaking of different repositories, we should include it in http://f-droid.org, not just the normal Android App store!
I've never seen a sliding scale "pay what you want" system for the Android market of Apple App store. Setting up our own repository of Apps is fine, but creating our own market payment system with credit card information and so on seems like a huge overkill. (AFAIK you can't create your own repository and use Android market's payment system for that repository).
So I think we'll have to stick to fixed donation amounts. If someone really wants to contribute a different amount, he can just use at donate.wikimedia.org :)
-- Tobias
It would be really cool to be able to donate via in-app billing.
Pete
On 10/7/11 14:35 PM, church.of.emacs.ml wrote:
So I think we'll have to stick to fixed donation amounts. If someone
really wants to contribute a different amount, he can just use at donate.wikimedia.org :)
2011/10/7 Peter Kaminski kaminski@istori.com
It would be really cool to be able to donate via in-app billing.
Pete
Yes! I think in-app payments as prompts for donations (even if just during the annual fundraiser, or say, once right after you download) is a good alternative idea too.
Steven
Calling any devs that want to make this be a reality https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31513
Help us code in app donations.
--tomasz
2011/10/7 Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com:
2011/10/7 Peter Kaminski kaminski@istori.com
It would be really cool to be able to donate via in-app billing.
Pete
Yes! I think in-app payments as prompts for donations (even if just during the annual fundraiser, or say, once right after you download) is a good alternative idea too.
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2011/10/7 Peter Kaminski kaminski@istori.com
It would be really cool to be able to donate via in-app billing.
Pete
While in-app billing for donations is a cool idea, we'd need to make sure we're going to get more than 70% of the donations. Granted 70% is better than the 0% we get now for in-app donations, a lost 30% could be a LOT of money going forward (as the world gets more "mobile")
Hi,
2011/10/7 Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com:
I think rather than have two identical versions in the Market, which would no doubt confuse a great many people [...]
I'm not sure about this confusion thing. It's pretty common to have two identical versions of the same app, with one called "Wikipedia (donation version)" for example.
2011/10/7 Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org
Hi,
2011/10/7 Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com:
I think rather than have two identical versions in the Market, which
would
no doubt confuse a great many people [...]
I'm not sure about this confusion thing. It's pretty common to have two identical versions of the same app, with one called "Wikipedia (donation version)" for example.
-- Guillaume Paumier Technical Communications Manager — Wikimedia Foundation http://donate.wikimedia.org
I've not once seen two identical apps by the same company, but one for pay arbitrarily. There are "premium versions" with additional features, but that's not what we're talking about here.
Steven
2011/10/8 Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com:
2011/10/7 Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org
Hi,
2011/10/7 Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com:
I think rather than have two identical versions in the Market, which
would
no doubt confuse a great many people [...]
I'm not sure about this confusion thing. It's pretty common to have two identical versions of the same app, with one called "Wikipedia (donation version)" for example.
-- Guillaume Paumier Technical Communications Manager — Wikimedia Foundation http://donate.wikimedia.org
I've not once seen two identical apps by the same company, but one for pay arbitrarily. There are "premium versions" with additional features, but that's not what we're talking about here.
One example that comes to mind is OsmAnd and OsmAnd+, although nowadays, the donation version does have a couple of extra features (but one can download the nightlies for free even of the + version).[1] I believe, there are a couple of others if you search for "donation" in the name of the apps[2] – the paid-for versions might sport extra features, but I don't think that is expected by the users.
Best regards, Bence
[1] https://market.android.com/details?id=net.osmand&feature=search_result https://market.android.com/details?id=net.osmand.plus&feature=search_res... http://code.google.com/p/osmand/ [2] https://market.android.com/search?q=donate&so=1&c=apps
2011/10/7 Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
[1] https://market.android.com/details?id=net.osmand&feature=search_result https://market.android.com/details?id=net.osmand.plus&feature=search_res... http://code.google.com/p/osmand/ [2] https://market.android.com/search?q=donate&so=1&c=apps
Heh.
Just goes to show, say you've never seen something and...
:)
Steven
2011/10/7 Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com:
I've not once seen two identical apps by the same company, but one for pay arbitrarily. There are "premium versions" with additional features, but that's not what we're talking about here.
There are some at https://market.android.com/search?q=donate&so=1&c=apps (There are some false-positives too). To pick a random example: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.bipmo.waterworks.app.paid
It's basically for developers who want to make it possible for people to show their appreciation, but who don't want to do the whole premium thing (e.g. additional features, or removal of ads). Admittedly, not many "companies" do that, but I'd think that, in spirit, we're closer to selfless volunteer developers.
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From: "Steven Walling" steven.walling@gmail.com
2011/10/7 Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org
Phone Gap build might be able to do this for us. If not I'm sure were could rig something up.
I think rather than have two identical versions in the Market, which would no doubt confuse a great many people,
-1
There are *zillions* of apps in the Android market that are "this is the free version, and this is the paid version that supports (our development)."
Often, the non-free version has extra features, but not always; I've seen it done this way before. You just need to be clear in your descriptions, taking into account the contexts in which people will see them.
Cheers, -- jra
2011/10/7 Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Walling" steven.walling@gmail.com
2011/10/7 Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org
Phone Gap build might be able to do this for us. If not I'm sure were could rig something up.
I think rather than have two identical versions in the Market, which would no doubt confuse a great many people,
-1
There are *zillions* of apps in the Android market that are "this is the free version, and this is the paid version that supports (our development)."
And as an Android user, I absolutely hate when there's two versions of the same app. Supporting in-app donations would be way nicer.
-Chad
2011/10/7 Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com:
And as an Android user, I absolutely hate when there's two versions of the same app. Supporting in-app donations would be way nicer.
Agreed, for other reasons as well (donation options should be easily discoverable by any user). In-app payments in Android are pretty user-friendly, and I think are the right model here. :-)
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From: "Erik Moeller" erik@wikimedia.org
2011/10/7 Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com:
And as an Android user, I absolutely hate when there's two versions of the same app. Supporting in-app donations would be way nicer.
Agreed, for other reasons as well (donation options should be easily discoverable by any user). In-app payments in Android are pretty user-friendly, and I think are the right model here. :-)
They are?
Perhaps I've missed something big...
(Oh: you said "user-friendly")
Cheers, -- jra
2011/10/7 Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com:
Agreed, for other reasons as well (donation options should be easily discoverable by any user). In-app payments in Android are pretty user-friendly, and I think are the right model here. :-)
They are?
Perhaps I've missed something big...
(Oh: you said "user-friendly")
Yeah. In-app billing is a feature of the Android Market platform and described here: http://developer.android.com/guide/market/billing/billing_overview.html
Checkouts are managed by Google, so no need in this case to implement a whole payments backend. Of course that's what the 30% fee is charged for. The terms state that it's limited to "digital goods" which is the kind of clause that you could drive a truck through. Looks like some folks are using it for donations and "selling" thank you messages.
If we do this, we'd want to have a direct line w/ Google to clarify that it's OK, and ideally persuade them to waive the fee out of their love for Wikipedia. :-)
There are alternatives such as PayPal's mobile payment libraries: https://www.x.com/developers/paypal/products/mobile-payment-libraries?view=o...
Apple does still (as far as I can tell) explicitly prohibit in-app donations, which caused a fair amount of controversy last year.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/nonprofit-developer-apples-no-dona...
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From: "Erik Moeller" erik@wikimedia.org
They are?
Perhaps I've missed something big...
(Oh: you said "user-friendly")
Yeah. In-app billing is a feature of the Android Market platform and described here: http://developer.android.com/guide/market/billing/billing_overview.html
Ahhhh. While I'm a fairly avid user, I'm not an android developer, and I hadn't run across that. Interesting.
Checkouts are managed by Google, so no need in this case to implement a whole payments backend. Of course that's what the 30% fee is charged for. The terms state that it's limited to "digital goods" which is the kind of clause that you could drive a truck through. Looks like some folks are using it for donations and "selling" thank you messages.
Heh.
If we do this, we'd want to have a direct line w/ Google to clarify that it's OK, and ideally persuade them to waive the fee out of their love for Wikipedia. :-)
That should be yourself, or someone like you, talking directly to Larry or Sergey; that's how that sort of thing comes about.
Cheers, -- jra
On 10/8/11 7:21 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Moeller"erik@wikimedia.org
They are?
Perhaps I've missed something big...
(Oh: you said "user-friendly")
Yeah. In-app billing is a feature of the Android Market platform and described here: http://developer.android.com/guide/market/billing/billing_overview.html
Ahhhh. While I'm a fairly avid user, I'm not an android developer, and I hadn't run across that. Interesting.
Checkouts are managed by Google, so no need in this case to implement a whole payments backend. Of course that's what the 30% fee is charged for. The terms state that it's limited to "digital goods" which is the kind of clause that you could drive a truck through. Looks like some folks are using it for donations and "selling" thank you messages.
Heh.
If we do this, we'd want to have a direct line w/ Google to clarify that it's OK, and ideally persuade them to waive the fee out of their love for Wikipedia. :-)
That should be yourself, or someone like you, talking directly to Larry or Sergey; that's how that sort of thing comes about.
FYI, I worked on Google Checkout back in 2005-2006, mostly internationalization and identity stuff, but I'm also familiar with how Google Checkout for Non-Profits works.
https://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/
Within Checkout, at least when I was working there, Digital Goods are supposed to be for things like software or in-game item purchases. You can pervert them to be donations, but that's not really what they are for, and you are limited to fixed amounts (i.e. you have separate donation buttons for $5, $10, $20, etc.)
Google Checkout for Non-Profits is designed for donations -- the big difference is that the donor can specify any amount for the transaction. (A normal Google Checkout transaction has security guarantees to both parties that the price the vendor sets is the price that gets paid. This involves signing the entire transaction; including price. But Checkout for Non-Profits can use a different verification technique for approved vendors.)
The other difference, getting your fees down to zero, is nowadays predicated on getting a Google Grant. There's a standard way to apply, but I'm sure we could also jump the queue if we pulled some strings.
I'm not sure how this intersects with the Android Market -- the regular Checkout rate is 2.9%, whereas all these "in-app" purchases seem to have pretty exorbitant rates. But the same guy was the tech lead for both Checkout and the Android Market, so if you have specific questions maybe I can open a channel. Google HATES doing customer service with a passion, so it can be hard to get answers if you want them to make an exception for you.
By the way, Aaron Muszalski, one of the new Community Department hires, was strongly pushing for in-app purchases in a mobile app as a possible way to get donations. Maybe he's already made some progress there -- I cc'ed him on this discussion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad" innocentkiller@gmail.com
There are *zillions* of apps in the Android market that are "this is the free version, and this is the paid version that supports (our development)."
And as an Android user, I absolutely hate when there's two versions of the same app. Supporting in-app donations would be way nicer.
Not if you're the developer, in which case *you now have to manage all the backend*.
I don't think Apple's Appstore permits that at all, does it?
Cheers, -- jra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brion Vibber" brion@pobox.com
2011/10/7 Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com
On a separate topic, it would probably be useful if someone built nightlies of the repo, so that those of us who are good usability test types but not necessarily coders or set up to build can contribute too; the original announcement didn't sound like that was in the plans. Is it practical?
I think that would be pretty easy to set up; stuck a note in BZ so we don't forget: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31498
Thanks, brion; I'll go cc myself.
Cheers, -- jra
2011/10/7 church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs.ml@googlemail.com
How about making a free version and an (identical!) "Support Wikipedia" version that has absolutly the same features, but costs $2 that go to WMF as a donation? :) Why we should do this: It's an extremly simple way for users to donate money. No entering of credit card or bank account information necessary, just select one app instead of another.
This would be pretty straightforward to do, I think.
Very rough estimate: 20M total downloads, 0.5% download the "Support Wikipedia" version for $2, that's $200k.
Note that the app-store middlemen take a 30% transaction fee, so we'd get $140k and Google or Amazon (or Apple if we do an iPhone version same way) gets $60k. 30% sounds high but probably isn't much worse than individual $2 credit card payments. :)
-- brion
2011/10/7 Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com:
Note that the app-store middlemen take a 30% transaction fee, so we'd get $140k and Google or Amazon (or Apple if we do an iPhone version same way) gets $60k. 30% sounds high but probably isn't much worse than individual $2 credit card payments. :)
I wonder if it's possible to do a deal to get more of the store cut ... I'm sure the fundraisers will give it a go.
- d.
How about we negotiate 0% transaction charge and they match the donation. It shows their support and is chump change to them. On Oct 7, 2011 9:47 AM, "Brion Vibber" brion@pobox.com wrote:
2011/10/7 church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs.ml@googlemail.com
How about making a free version and an (identical!) "Support Wikipedia" version that has absolutly the same features, but costs $2 that go to WMF as a donation? :) Why we should do this: It's an extremly simple way for users to donate money. No entering of credit card or bank account information necessary, just select one app instead of another.
This would be pretty straightforward to do, I think.
Very rough estimate: 20M total downloads, 0.5% download the "Support Wikipedia" version for $2, that's $200k.
Note that the app-store middlemen take a 30% transaction fee, so we'd get $140k and Google or Amazon (or Apple if we do an iPhone version same way) gets $60k. 30% sounds high but probably isn't much worse than individual
$2
credit card payments. :)
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+∞
This is a fantastic idea.
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
How about we negotiate 0% transaction charge and they match the donation. It shows their support and is chump change to them. On Oct 7, 2011 9:47 AM, "Brion Vibber" brion@pobox.com wrote:
2011/10/7 church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs.ml@googlemail.com
How about making a free version and an (identical!) "Support Wikipedia" version that has absolutly the same features, but costs $2 that go to WMF as a donation? :) Why we should do this: It's an extremly simple way for users to donate money. No entering of credit card or bank account information necessary, just select one app instead of another.
This would be pretty straightforward to do, I think.
Very rough estimate: 20M total downloads, 0.5% download the "Support Wikipedia" version for $2, that's $200k.
Note that the app-store middlemen take a 30% transaction fee, so we'd get $140k and Google or Amazon (or Apple if we do an iPhone version same way) gets $60k. 30% sounds high but probably isn't much worse than individual
$2
credit card payments. :)
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On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
Over the last couple of weeks a group of devs from Nitobi have been putting together an Android Wikipedia App for us. They've been using the PhoneGap framework to build the app and now it mostly has the same features as our iOS app. I think it's finally gotten to a good state for people to start hacking on it.
Sweet, got this running on my Nexus S, performs very well already. Apart from some holes where features haven't been added yet :)
Stephen,
Come join us on #wikimedia-mobile and take a look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31447. That's the tracker bug for what we want to fix before this can go live.
Lots of fun stuff to pick up
Android app makes search request for empty string - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31479
Show exact matches of articles if found in search results - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31463
Android app loses place across close/restart - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31470
Migrate Javascript to jQuery in Android App - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31465
And many more. Just make sure to assign any bug you pickup to yourself.
--tomasz
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
Over the last couple of weeks a group of devs from Nitobi have been putting together an Android Wikipedia App for us. They've been using the PhoneGap framework to build the app and now it mostly has the same features as our iOS app. I think it's finally gotten to a good state for people to start hacking on it.
Sweet, got this running on my Nexus S, performs very well already. Apart from some holes where features haven't been added yet :)
-- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com
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