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Daniel Barrett

21 Jan 2016 21 Jan '16

4:18 p.m.

I was looking through the VisualEditor roadmap (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Roadmap) and did not notice anything about third-party MediaWiki extensions for the editor. Did I miss it? I do see plans for "non-Mediawiki" extensions (under "Release for third-party non-MediaWiki users"), and also for Mediawiki admins to "easily install and use VisualEditor" (under "Release for third-party MediaWiki users"), but nothing about extending it within MediaWiki. For example, adding a button or menu item to insert a particular parser tag. Is this by design? I did notice "Non-template transclusions" on the roadmap, which looks like a way to insert parser tags & parser functions if you already know their name (the way template transclusions work right now). That will be a big help. However, for (say) inserting a given parser tag, it would be great if we could easily add a button or menu item for it. Thank you very much for any info. DanB

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Trevor Parscal

21 Jan 21 Jan

4:28 p.m.

New subject: VisualEditor roadmap - extensibility within MediaWiki?

VisualEditor is very extendable by design. You can do pretty much anything you want with a plugin, and we've demonstrated this with many existing plugins that provide all sorts of interesting features. The APIs for adding features to VisualEditor, while perhaps not as well documented as we'd like them to be, have existed for years and are now quite stable. We have seen extensions such as math, graph and score be integrated into VisualEditor by developers who are relatively new to the code base. However, direct communication with the team was still important to those efforts. The documentation that does exist is generated from code comments, and the VisualEditor code base is particularly well documented. There was a supplemental documentation effort for OOjs UI this time last year, and I think that worked out pretty well. This may be something we can do in the next six months, but there are not yet any concrete plans to do so. Ed Sanders is a good person to be in touch with, along with others on the VosualEditor team, who are easily reached on IRC. See the MediaWiki page on VisialEditor for details. - Trevor On Thursday, January 21, 2016, Daniel Barrett <danb(a)cimpress.com> wrote:

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I was looking through the VisualEditor roadmap ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Roadmap) and did not notice anything about third-party MediaWiki extensions for the editor. Did I miss it? I do see plans for "non-Mediawiki" extensions (under "Release for third-party non-MediaWiki users"), and also for Mediawiki admins to "easily install and use VisualEditor" (under "Release for third-party MediaWiki users"), but nothing about extending it within MediaWiki. For example, adding a button or menu item to insert a particular parser tag. Is this by design? I did notice "Non-template transclusions" on the roadmap, which looks like a way to insert parser tags & parser functions if you already know their name (the way template transclusions work right now). That will be a big help. However, for (say) inserting a given parser tag, it would be great if we could easily add a button or menu item for it. Thank you very much for any info. DanB _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Daniel Barrett

8:49 p.m.

New subject: VisualEditor roadmap - extensibility within MediaWiki?

Thank you! Which class on this page is the best starting point for learning to write a plugin? https://doc.wikimedia.org/VisualEditor/master/ DanB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wikitech-l [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Parscal Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:28 AM To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor roadmap - extensibility within MediaWiki? VisualEditor is very extendable by design. You can do pretty much anything you want with a plugin, and we've demonstrated this with many existing plugins that provide all sorts of interesting features. The APIs for adding features to VisualEditor, while perhaps not as well documented as we'd like them to be, have existed for years and are now quite stable. We have seen extensions such as math, graph and score be integrated into VisualEditor by developers who are relatively new to the code base. However, direct communication with the team was still important to those efforts. The documentation that does exist is generated from code comments, and the VisualEditor code base is particularly well documented. There was a supplemental documentation effort for OOjs UI this time last year, and I think that worked out pretty well. This may be something we can do in the next six months, but there are not yet any concrete plans to do so. Ed Sanders is a good person to be in touch with, along with others on the VosualEditor team, who are easily reached on IRC. See the MediaWiki page on VisialEditor for details. - Trevor On Thursday, January 21, 2016, Daniel Barrett <danb(a)cimpress.com> wrote:

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I was looking through the VisualEditor roadmap ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Roadmap) and did not notice anything about third-party MediaWiki extensions for the editor. Did I miss it? I do see plans for "non-Mediawiki" extensions (under "Release for third-party non-MediaWiki users"), and also for Mediawiki admins to "easily install and use VisualEditor" (under "Release for third-party MediaWiki users"), but nothing about extending it within MediaWiki. For example, adding a button or menu item to insert a particular parser tag. Is this by design? I did notice "Non-template transclusions" on the roadmap, which looks like a way to insert parser tags & parser functions if you already know their name (the way template transclusions work right now). That will be a big help. However, for (say) inserting a given parser tag, it would be great if we could easily add a button or menu item for it. Thank you very much for any info. DanB _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Eran Rosenthal

22 Jan 22 Jan

8:19 a.m.

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Good question (and no good answer) and I think it address to the weakest point of VE documentation - it doesn't have enough code examples, or high view documentation. (the best answer you can get may be https://doc.wikimedia.org/VisualEditor/master/#!/api/mw.libs.ve-method-addP… ) My advice is to AVOID using this documentation - this is usually micro level documentation, and it is not enough. You should prefer to grep the codebase to get some working examples and craft it. Here is the example of graph: http://git.wikimedia.org/tree/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FGraph.git/master/mod… and old (possibly outdated) but good into and high level documentation for VE: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/API On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Daniel Barrett <danb(a)cimpress.com> wrote:

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a way to insert parser tags & parser functions if you already know their name (the way template transclusions work right now). That will be a big help. However, for (say) inserting a given parser tag, it would be great

we could easily add a button or menu item for it. Thank you very much for any info. DanB _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Marielle Volz

10:27 a.m.

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I found Eran's gadget tutorial to be the most helpful piece of documentation for getting a plug-in up and running quickly: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Gadgets For converting a gadget to an extension, as others have mentioned, looking at actual extensions were the most helpful. On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Eran Rosenthal <eranroz89(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thank you! Which class on this page is the best starting point for learning to write a plugin? https://doc.wikimedia.org/VisualEditor/master/ DanB

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From: Wikitech-l [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Parscal Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:28 AM To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor roadmap - extensibility within MediaWiki? VisualEditor is very extendable by design. You can do pretty much

anything

you want with a plugin, and we've demonstrated this with many existing plugins that provide all sorts of interesting features. The APIs for adding features to VisualEditor, while perhaps not as well documented as we'd like them to be, have existed for years and are now quite stable. We have seen extensions such as math, graph and score be integrated into VisualEditor by developers who are relatively new to the code base. However, direct communication with the team was still important to those efforts. The documentation that does exist is generated from code comments, and

the

VisualEditor code base is particularly well documented. There was a supplemental documentation effort for OOjs UI this time last year, and

think that worked out pretty well. This may be something we can do in the next six months, but there are not yet any concrete plans to do so. Ed Sanders is a good person to be in touch with, along with others on the VosualEditor team, who are easily reached on IRC. See the MediaWiki page

VisialEditor for details. - Trevor On Thursday, January 21, 2016, Daniel Barrett <danb(a)cimpress.com> wrote: > I was looking through the VisualEditor roadmap ( > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Roadmap) and did not

notice

> anything about third-party MediaWiki extensions for the editor. Did I > miss it? > > I do see plans for "non-Mediawiki" extensions (under "Release for > third-party non-MediaWiki users"), and also for Mediawiki admins to > "easily install and use VisualEditor" (under "Release for third-party > MediaWiki users"), but nothing about extending it within MediaWiki. For > example, adding a button or menu item to insert a particular parser

tag.

Is this by design? I did notice "Non-template transclusions" on the roadmap, which looks

like > a way to insert parser tags & parser functions if you already know

their

> name (the way template transclusions work right now). That will be a

big

> help. However, for (say) inserting a given parser tag, it would be

great

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