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drew einhorn

14 Mar 2008 14 Mar '08

9:30 p.m.

I'd like to see this generate the TOC for {{:Page}}, but not include the content. Links in the TOC should go to the original location in Page. This would enable me to drastically reduce the giant wiki page at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/VistA_Monograph_Wiki to a more reasonable size. Something along like: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/WV_VM -- Drew Einhorn

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Simetrical

14 Mar 14 Mar

9:49 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:30 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I'd like to see this generate the TOC for {{:Page}}, but not include the content. Links in the TOC should go to the original location in Page.

You would like to see *what* do that? <noinclude> is a reserved word already.

drew einhorn

10:25 p.m.

When the page is rendered, I'd like to see <noinclude> tags affect the rendering of {{:Page}} in the areas they bracket. It's probably not much more that a few judiciously placed if statements. to alter the links in the TOC and not include the content in the body of the page. Any pointers to the routines that render {{:Page}} would be appreciated. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:30 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to see this generate the TOC for {{:Page}}, but not include the content. Links in the TOC should go to the original location in Page.

You would like to see *what* do that? <noinclude> is a reserved word already. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

-- Drew Einhorn

Simetrical

10:30 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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When the page is rendered, I'd like to see <noinclude> tags affect the rendering of {{:Page}} in the areas they bracket.

You mean, give it an additional and totally different and incompatible meaning to what it does now?

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It's probably not much more that a few judiciously placed if statements. to alter the links in the TOC and not include the content in the body of the page.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it being that simple.

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Any pointers to the routines that render {{:Page}} would be appreciated.

includes/Parser.php

Roan Kattouw

10:48 p.m.

Simetrical schreef:

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

When the page is rendered, I'd like to see <noinclude> tags affect the rendering of {{:Page}} in the areas they bracket.

You mean, give it an additional and totally different and incompatible meaning to what it does now?

Please, please, PLEASE don't abuse <noinclude> for this, it has an entirely different meaning already. I think this could be done in a parser function extension [1], something along the lines of {{#includetoc:Page}}. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions

drew einhorn

10:50 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

When the page is rendered, I'd like to see <noinclude> tags affect the rendering of {{:Page}} in the areas they bracket.

You mean, give it an additional and totally different and incompatible meaning to what it does now?

additional? Yes totally different and incompatible? I didn't see it that way, but you almost certainly know better than I. I guess we would have to create a new tag, instead of reusing an existing one in a slightly different context. I do need to break up a monster 240K wiki page into a bunch of pieces, but still have a working TOC to navigate the entire document.

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It's probably not much more that a few judiciously placed if statements. to alter the links in the TOC and not include the

content in

the body of the page.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it being that simple.

Any pointers to the routines that render {{:Page}} would be

appreciated. includes/Parser.php

You are probably right. I'll look there when I get back from a trip to Mexico.

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Roan Kattouw

11:04 p.m.

drew einhorn schreef:

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I guess we would have to create a new tag, instead of reusing an existing one in a slightly different context.

I think {{#includetoc:Foo}} makes more sense, but <includetoc>Foo</includetoc> could work as well. The former looks more intuitive to me, however. Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

Simetrical

16 Mar 16 Mar

12:26 a.m.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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additional? Yes totally different and incompatible? I didn't see it that way, but you almost certainly know better than I.

<noinclude>{{:Foo}}</noinclude> already has a well-defined meaning: "Include the page Foo here as a template, but not when this page is included in another page." Trying to change that would be confusing for users (template calls would suddenly work differently inside of noinclude) and very weird to implement too (what does <noinclude>Foo {{:Foo}}</noinclude> do? <noinclude>{{:Foo}}{{:Bar}}</noinclude>? <noinclude> {{:Foo}} </noinclude>?). A new parser tag would be the correct way to do this.

Virgil Ierubino

5:07 p.m.

On 14/03/2008, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I do need to break up a monster 240K wiki page into a bunch of pieces, but still have a working TOC to navigate the entire document.

Write out the TOC manually. Wikipedia does this is several places. Alternatively, if you just want a TOC, why don't you bung all the pages into a CATEGORY, and then the category page becomes your dedicated TOC.

Steve Bennett

18 Mar 18 Mar

8:05 a.m.

On 3/17/08, Virgil Ierubino <virgil.ierubino(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Can you transclude a category? If not, perhaps there is an interesting idea... Steve

Platonides

12:50 p.m.

Steve Bennett wrote:

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On 3/17/08, Virgil Ierubino <virgil.ierubino(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Can you transclude a category? If not, perhaps there is an interesting idea... Steve

No. You can only transclude the category page text, not the pages belonging to it.

Max Semenik

3:39 p.m.

On 18.03.2008, 15:50 Platonides wrote:

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No. You can only transclude the category page text, not the pages belonging to it.

There's DynamicPageList extension for that. -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])

Dan Collins

14 Mar 14 Mar

10:51 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

When the page is rendered, I'd like to see <noinclude> tags affect the rendering of {{:Page}} in the areas they bracket.

You mean, give it an additional and totally different and incompatible meaning to what it does now?

It's probably not much more that a few judiciously placed if statements. to alter the links in the TOC and not include the

content in

the body of the page.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it being that simple.

Any pointers to the routines that render {{:Page}} would be

appreciated. includes/Parser.php _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

I must add that this is a really bad idea. noinclude already has a rather useful purpose, why give it another one? That would cause bad stuff to happen, like screwing up example cases on template documentation pages. (In fact, it would screw up template documentation pages. It's rather common that we transclude pages inside a noinclude for documentation reasons. -- DCollins/ST47

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Dan Collins
drew einhorn
Max Semenik
Platonides
Roan Kattouw
Simetrical
Steve Bennett
Virgil Ierubino