You are just wrong. And this wrong judgment is really annoying.
Use knoppix bootable linux. http://knoppix.net
it comes with all the tools you'll need for all the conversions you can dream of except svg. and for all the potential systems that are bound to be encountered in non-net enabled areas.
And thats pretty much it. And for mentioning a low level language like C++ please meditate for a few weeks until the wrong is no longer in you.
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Hunter Peress wrote:
You are just wrong. And this wrong judgment is really annoying.
Use knoppix bootable linux. http://knoppix.net
it comes with all the tools you'll need for all the conversions you can dream of except svg. and for all the potential systems that are bound to be encountered in non-net enabled areas.
So whenever you want to look up something in an article, you just stick in the CD, reboot the computer, write down the information you want on a bit of paper, and reboot the computer again to get back to your preferred OS?
-- Tim Starling
Tim Starling wrote:
Hunter Peress wrote:
Use knoppix bootable linux. http://knoppix.net it comes with all the tools you'll need for all the conversions you can dream of except svg. and for all the potential systems that are bound to be encountered in non-net enabled areas.
So whenever you want to look up something in an article, you just stick in the CD, reboot the computer, write down the information you want on a bit of paper, and reboot the computer again to get back to your preferred OS?
FWIW I think a bootable linux+Wikipedia would be *awesome*. But, the data needs to be accessible from an existing OS as well (and not all of us are running an x86 machine!) or we get the above scenario of extremely limited usefulness.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
FWIW I think a bootable linux+Wikipedia would be *awesome*. But, the data needs to be accessible from an existing OS as well (and not all of us are running an x86 machine!) or we get the above scenario of extremely limited usefulness.
Brion is dead-on here, as usual. While a bootable knoppix disc is a great idea, the WP data residing on the disc needs to be kept in a format that can be read by multiplatform reader applications that are also on the disc.
For instance, something like RealBasic [http://www.realsoftware.com/] will compile an application for both Mac and Windows, so if it can also live on the CD, I think the combination (Mac, Windows, Linux) is very satisfactory coverage. An alternative, of course, is Java - but I think sticking red-hot needles into our respective eyes might be more pleasurable.
Cheers, Ivan.
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 11:22:10PM -0400, Ivan Krstic wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
FWIW I think a bootable linux+Wikipedia would be *awesome*. But, the data needs to be accessible from an existing OS as well (and not all of us are running an x86 machine!) or we get the above scenario of extremely limited usefulness.
Brion is dead-on here, as usual. While a bootable knoppix disc is a great idea, the WP data residing on the disc needs to be kept in a format that can be read by multiplatform reader applications that are also on the disc.
Agreed.
For instance, something like RealBasic [http://www.realsoftware.com/] will compile an application for both Mac and Windows, so if it can also live on the CD, I think the combination (Mac, Windows, Linux) is very satisfactory coverage. An alternative, of course, is Java - but I think sticking red-hot needles into our respective eyes might be more pleasurable.
Hold on there - what's the necessity of having to use this kind of thing just for writing a cross platform app? Perhaps you like the "integrated database" feature, but couldn't we just bundle MySql with the app? But I wonder whether we need to do all that. Couldn't a simple mozilla plugin which implements untarring and unzipping do the job, assuming that the files are stored on disk in the form of a few tens of articles per compressed tarball?
Arvind
Arvind Narayanan wrote:
Hold on there - what's the necessity of having to use this kind of thing just for writing a cross platform app? Perhaps you like the "integrated database" feature, but couldn't we just bundle MySql with the app? But I wonder whether we need to do all that. Couldn't a simple mozilla plugin which implements untarring and unzipping do the job, assuming that the files are stored on disk in the form of a few tens of articles per compressed tarball?
There is no necessity, I was merely throwing out ideas. I personally like the idea of one application that does all the work, but that may just be personal bias. Bundling MySQL is an option, but I don't think it's wise - we'd have to have binaries for each of the platforms on the CD, and make sure all the glue is also cross-platform, AND make sure we can do this without having to install anything on the user's computer.
As far as cross-platform development goes, however, XUL is something to consider - it'd let us have the Mozilla guys deal with the cross-platform backend magic. Not to mention, if there existed an inconspicuous "Install Mozilla to Hard Drive" link on the CD somewhere, the CD might become a reasonably effective, completely inobtrusive method for open-source evangelism (i.e. after people use Mozilla to browse the wikipedia CD and realize the blessings of tabbed browsing and the like, they just might be willing to make it their browser of choice).
Lots to think about here.
Cheers, Ivan.
Hi list!
I think there is one thing we should make clear. WikiRover is intented to be a _library_, nothing less, nothing more. We want it to be independant from the platform (C++ is fast and quite portable i think) and independant from the GUI. We expect people to use the lib to make an interface with what they prefer (Qt, gtk+, win32, cocoa, XUL, etc.). The database functionality is provided by sqlite. Ryo has made a small proof of concept app that works under windows and linux. Oh, by the way, the library will be LGPLed and we don't want it to depend on non-free software.
Cheers,
Med
Actually, d'oh, I just checked the RealBasic page (I haven't read up on RB in a while). It turns out the new version, 5.5, supports compilation to OS X, Windows and Linux, and has reasonably good database functionality.
Ivan.
Brion Vibber wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
Hunter Peress wrote:
Use knoppix bootable linux. http://knoppix.net it comes with all the tools you'll need for all the conversions you can dream of except svg. and for all the potential systems that are bound to be encountered in non-net enabled areas.
So whenever you want to look up something in an article, you just stick in the CD, reboot the computer, write down the information you want on a bit of paper, and reboot the computer again to get back to your preferred OS?
FWIW I think a bootable linux+Wikipedia would be *awesome*. But, the data needs to be accessible from an existing OS as well (and not all of us are running an x86 machine!) or we get the above scenario of extremely limited usefulness.
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Brion Vibber wrote:
FWIW I think a bootable linux+Wikipedia would be *awesome*. But, the data needs to be accessible from an existing OS as well (and not all of us are running an x86 machine!) or we get the above scenario of extremely limited usefulness.
I agree totally with Brion on both points.
A bootable linux+Wikipedia that just comes up as a 'kiosk', i.e. it's an instant "appliance" that could be placed in a library or school with extremely limited financial/hardware/skill resources would be excellent.
But also, having the data easily accessible from existing OS as well is extremely important.
It'd be neat to do both on 1 CD, but if they are too far different from each other, it'd be fine to have these be different "products".
--Jimbo
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