Hi,
It is quite urgent to implement a spamfilter on Wikimedia servers.
I already proposed several times to help set up this.
Thanks, Yann
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Hello,
We tried contacting you awhile ago about your low interest morta(ge rate.
Yann Forget wrote:
It is quite urgent to implement a spamfilter on Wikimedia servers.
I already proposed several times to help set up this.
<snip spam>
Maybe the lists can be restricted to registered users only ?
Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
Yann Forget wrote:
It is quite urgent to implement a spamfilter on Wikimedia servers.
I already proposed several times to help set up this.
<snip spam>
Maybe the lists can be restricted to registered users only ?
The lists are restricted to registered users only, but we hold other mails in the moderation queue rather than discarding them outright.
This means a lot of spam gets in the moderation queue, which nobody ever sees except the list admins. I keep hearing a rumor that we've set up SpamAssassin but I guess it hasn't really gotten done.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber (brion@pobox.com) [050223 01:01]:
The lists are restricted to registered users only, but we hold other mails in the moderation queue rather than discarding them outright. This means a lot of spam gets in the moderation queue, which nobody ever sees except the list admins. I keep hearing a rumor that we've set up SpamAssassin but I guess it hasn't really gotten done.
There's a LOT of spam in the moderation queue, but it does no harm sitting there (unless the mail server is about to fall over with the weight of it).
The main reason to check the queues at all is just in case there's a message from a human to allow through.
- d.
Hi,
Le Tuesday 22 February 2005 16:01, David Gerard a écrit :
Brion Vibber (brion@pobox.com) [050223 01:01]:
The lists are restricted to registered users only, but we hold other mails in the moderation queue rather than discarding them outright. This means a lot of spam gets in the moderation queue, which nobody ever sees except the list admins. I keep hearing a rumor that we've set up SpamAssassin but I guess it hasn't really gotten done.
No, it was never done, inspite of several propositions to do so. I offered several times to help setting this, and I do it again today.
There's a LOT of spam in the moderation queue, but it does no harm sitting there (unless the mail server is about to fall over with the weight of it).
The amount of spams has become so much that managing a list is now a burden. So yes, it does harm, because it wastes my time as list administrator. I am sure I am not alone in this case.
The main reason to check the queues at all is just in case there's a message from a human to allow through.
Every day, there are valuable mails from people who are not subscribers, so the cleaning of spams has to be done daily.
For a basic spam filter, we don't even need to install Spamassassin. Just filtering out non existing domains and virus will remove a lot of unwanted traffic.
- d.
Regards, Yann
Yann Forget (yann@forget-me.net) [050223 09:21]:
Le Tuesday 22 February 2005 16:01, David Gerard a écrit :
There's a LOT of spam in the moderation queue, but it does no harm sitting there (unless the mail server is about to fall over with the weight of it).
The amount of spams has become so much that managing a list is now a burden. So yes, it does harm, because it wastes my time as list administrator. I am sure I am not alone in this case.
Ah - I see what comes into wikien-l, which most people aren't interested in unless they subscribe. We have four active people with admin access, which helps a lot. I expect wikitech-l gets a lot more unsubscribed real humans posting.
I see wikitech-l only has two admins. Adding more may help in the short term, while waiting on a spam filter.
- d.
Yann, an email was opened on otrs to deal with emails of requests from non editors.
If I remember well, this address is info-fr@wikimedia.org
This is possibly the email address which should be better advertised on the french speaking projects.
I recommand that any big projects with high spam amount and requests from non registered people begin to think of using otrs and a special information list as well.
Anthere
Yann Forget a écrit:
Hi,
Le Tuesday 22 February 2005 16:01, David Gerard a écrit :
Brion Vibber (brion@pobox.com) [050223 01:01]:
The lists are restricted to registered users only, but we hold other mails in the moderation queue rather than discarding them outright. This means a lot of spam gets in the moderation queue, which nobody ever sees except the list admins. I keep hearing a rumor that we've set up SpamAssassin but I guess it hasn't really gotten done.
No, it was never done, inspite of several propositions to do so. I offered several times to help setting this, and I do it again today.
There's a LOT of spam in the moderation queue, but it does no harm sitting there (unless the mail server is about to fall over with the weight of it).
The amount of spams has become so much that managing a list is now a burden. So yes, it does harm, because it wastes my time as list administrator. I am sure I am not alone in this case.
The main reason to check the queues at all is just in case there's a message from a human to allow through.
Every day, there are valuable mails from people who are not subscribers, so the cleaning of spams has to be done daily.
For a basic spam filter, we don't even need to install Spamassassin. Just filtering out non existing domains and virus will remove a lot of unwanted traffic.
- d.
Regards, Yann
Hi Anthere,
Le Monday 28 February 2005 01:34, Anthere a écrit :
Yann, an email was opened on otrs to deal with emails of requests from non editors.
If I remember well, this address is info-fr@wikimedia.org
This is possibly the email address which should be better advertised on the french speaking projects.
1. This has nothing to do with the current subject. Or better, we CAN'T start to advertise such an address before setting up a spamfilter. 2. I still don't know how OTRS works, and was not able to find any help. Anybody knows ? So once a spamfilter is set up and there are sufficient people registered to OTRS and knowing how to use it, we can advertise such an address.
I recommand that any big projects with high spam amount and requests from non registered people begin to think of using otrs and a special information list as well.
Anthere
Yann
Yann Forget a écrit:
Hi Anthere,
Hiya Yann
Le Monday 28 February 2005 01:34, Anthere a écrit :
Yann, an email was opened on otrs to deal with emails of requests from non editors.
If I remember well, this address is info-fr@wikimedia.org
This is possibly the email address which should be better advertised on the french speaking projects.
- This has nothing to do with the current subject.
I think it does. The main problem with spam is that it hides real messages, and we sometimes fail to answer those. If real people are redirected visibly to another list, there is chance we limit real messages loss or at least messages pending, and even possibly spam if our internal mailing list is less advertised.
Or better, we CAN'T start to advertise such an address before setting up a spamfilter.
Hum ? We can't ? I regularly manage the OTRS address board@wikimedia.org
I just move spam in the spam queue. This is very quick to do.
- I still don't know how OTRS works, and was not able to find any help.
Anybody knows ?
notafish should know now :-) We spent two hours exploring it together :-)
So once a spamfilter is set up and there are sufficient people registered to OTRS and knowing how to use it, we can advertise such an address.
Sorry to discover we lost our time setting up this address. It was meant to be used. If you do not advertise it, and do not even want to talk publicly about it on wiki, I guess we won't use it before a long time.
Germans have been using it for a long time now. I think they are happy with it.
At least, I can say it was a huge relief for Jimbo Angela and I when we set the board account :-)
I recommand that any big projects with high spam amount and requests from non registered people begin to think of using otrs and a special information list as well.
Anthere
Yann
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