Hello.
It seems that one of our trusted users was blocked by proxy blocker even though his is IPs are not open proxies. IPs I was informed of by the user were as follows:
220.146.24.126 220.146.22.87 220.146.22.10
I will unblock these addresses, but is it really effective if I do that? I am afraid that the blocker will re-block those addresses as soon as he start editing. Can I do anything? Or is there anything the user should do? I would appreciate any suggestion.
Thanks for your attention,
Tomos
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Walter Vermeir wrote:
Tomos at Wikipedia wrote:
do? I would appreciate any suggestion.
Thanks for your attention,
Tomos
A white list function can be usefull to have. A proxy blocker override.
That would mean knowingly allowing specific open proxies (which, by definition, anyone can then use to troll/vandalise/etc.).
Timwi <timwi@...> writes:
A white list function can be usefull to have. A proxy blocker override.
That would mean knowingly allowing specific open proxies (which, by definition, anyone can then use to troll/vandalise/etc.).
Yes, off course. That is the idea of a override. It is not because a user is using a open proxy the will vandalise anything. I would like to have the option to allow write acces to a user who has been blocked by the proxy blocker if I feel it is necessary.
Do you know what the effect is when the user "proxy blocker" is blocked? Will that stop the proxy blocker? And does it harm the working the proxy blocker on the other wikipedias?
Label; Now the proxy blocker is using the notice;
/Your IP address has been blocked because it is an open proxy. Please contact your Internet service provider or tech support and inform them of this serious security problem/
For the Dutch Wikipedia I would like to see this notice used;
/Dit is een automatische preventieve blokkering omdat U gebruik maakt van een open proxyserver. Zie [[gebruiker:Proxy blocker|Proxy blocker]] voor meer informatie/
--- Walter Vermeir
Walter Vermeir wrote:
Timwi <timwi@...> writes:
A white list function can be usefull to have. A proxy blocker override.
That would mean knowingly allowing specific open proxies (which, by definition, anyone can then use to troll/vandalise/etc.).
Yes, off course. That is the idea of a override. It is not because a user is using a open proxy the will vandalise anything. I would like to have the option to allow write acces to a user who has been blocked by the proxy blocker if I feel it is necessary.
You are forgetting that an OPEN proxy means that ANYONE can use it to troll and vandalise. People are free to use some sort of proxy to edit Wikipedia, but it MUST be a secure proxy. If even just one open proxy is explicitly allowed on Wikipedia, then the whole Proxy Blocker business is entirely pointless.
Timwi
Walter Vermeir wrote:
Do you know what the effect is when the user "proxy blocker" is blocked? Will that stop the proxy blocker? And does it harm the working the proxy blocker on the other wikipedias?
No, of course not. The blocking of open proxies happens through an automatic process (Special:Blockme) rather than through an action by a user who is logged in as "Proxy Blocker". In that sense, the page [[User:Proxy blocker]] is just for informational purposes.
Timwi
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 06:51:34PM +0000, Tomos at Wikipedia wrote:
Hello.
It seems that one of our trusted users was blocked by proxy blocker even though his is IPs are not open proxies. IPs I was informed of by the user were as follows:
220.146.24.126 220.146.22.87 220.146.22.10
I will unblock these addresses, but is it really effective if I do that? I am afraid that the blocker will re-block those addresses as soon as he start editing. Can I do anything? Or is there anything the user should do? I would appreciate any suggestion.
Those are dynamic dial up IPs I guess, hostnames are like ntkyto039126.kyto.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp.
Does it make sense to block these permanently? The next person using this IP will probably not have an open proxy.
Best regards,
JeLuF
Jens Frank wrote:
Does it make sense to block these permanently?
At least on en, Proxy Blocker no longer blocks anyone permanently. They are only blocked for 7 days. After that period, the IP is re-assessed when it tries to make its next edit.
This also means that someone who has a dynamic dial-up IP and is blocked by Proxy Blocker, can simply dial in again after securing (or disabling) their proxy, and they will have a different IP that won't be blocked.
Personally, I think this should be reduced to 24 hours, as dynamic IPs can be recycled pretty soon, and Wikipedia is growing enormously in popularity.
Timwi
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 00:09, Timwi wrote:
At least on en, Proxy Blocker no longer blocks anyone permanently. They are only blocked for 7 days. After that period, the IP is re-assessed when it tries to make its next edit.
This also means that someone who has a dynamic dial-up IP and is blocked by Proxy Blocker, can simply dial in again after securing (or disabling) their proxy, and they will have a different IP that won't be blocked.
Personally, I think this should be reduced to 24 hours, as dynamic IPs can be recycled pretty soon, and Wikipedia is growing enormously in popularity.
I think it should be reduced to 5 minutes -- is there any reason to have it be longer?
Carl Witty
On Apr 2, 2004, at 11:36, Carl Witty wrote:
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 00:09, Timwi wrote:
Personally, I think this should be reduced to 24 hours, as dynamic IPs can be recycled pretty soon, and Wikipedia is growing enormously in popularity.
I think it should be reduced to 5 minutes -- is there any reason to have it be longer?
To avoid having to recheck the same static proxies *every five minutes*.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 11:41, Brion Vibber wrote:
On Apr 2, 2004, at 11:36, Carl Witty wrote:
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 00:09, Timwi wrote:
Personally, I think this should be reduced to 24 hours, as dynamic IPs can be recycled pretty soon, and Wikipedia is growing enormously in popularity.
I think it should be reduced to 5 minutes -- is there any reason to have it be longer?
To avoid having to recheck the same static proxies *every five minutes*.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
How about this: if we detect an open proxy, keep that information for 5 minutes; if we don't, keep that for 24 hours.
It just seems really bad to have an auto-block potentially affect a different user with the same dynamic IP address.
Carl Witty
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