Hi
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you want to be a Wikimedia delegate at the Google Summer of Code Reunion, apply before the end of June at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors
Only Siebrand has signed up at the wiki page so far. No other GSoC mentors interested?
Siebrand and Kartik have been selected to participate in the GSoC Reunion o behalf of Wikimedia.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors#Del...
Reasoning pasted here for your convenience:
Hi, after looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors the list of possible mentors attending the GSoC Reunion, we have decided:
* Mentor 1 will be siebrand https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Siebrand. He has been helping in outreach programs for a long time and in different ways. He was also the only one submitting his request on time. * Mentor 2 will be KartikMistry https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:KartikMistry, since he is mentor of two different orgs this year, and (afaik) he has been a mentor in previous editions.
Also, Google will pay their flights from far far away. Legoktm https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Legoktm, I hope you understand and share the reasoning. Your request for this year has been recorded and it will help you being select next year, if you apply as well.
On 09/07/14 10:38, Quim Gil wrote:
Siebrand and Kartik have been selected to participate in the GSoC Reunion o behalf of Wikimedia.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors#Del...
Reasoning pasted here for your convenience:
Hi, after looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors the list of possible mentors attending the GSoC Reunion, we have decided:
- Mentor 1 will be siebrand https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Siebrand.
He has been helping in outreach programs for a long time and in different ways. He was also the only one submitting his request on time.
- Mentor 2 will be KartikMistry
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:KartikMistry, since he is mentor of two different orgs this year, and (afaik) he has been a mentor in previous editions.
Also, Google will pay their flights from far far away. Legoktm https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Legoktm, I hope you understand and share the reasoning. Your request for this year has been recorded and it will help you being select next year, if you apply as well.
Interesting that these are two translation folks, and nothing from the wider development community. I'm sure they're lovely people, but I must say this doesn't represent our diversity very well.
I know it's too late now, but considering most of us probably never even saw or considered the initial request as it was tucked away into another email about something else, in the future it might help to send out a separate email for these things, and if it comes to it, include a new deadline in the reminder (otherwise the decision comes as a complete surprise), too.
Personally I never even considered it because as a new mentor it didn't seem very appropriate for me to want to go ('delegate' is a very strong word), but more on what it would have actually entailed in the email itself would probably have helped others, too.
-I
I totaly agree with this, I didn't even notice original mail. Give us moar mails pls next time :) On Jul 9, 2014 5:42 PM, "Isarra Yos" zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/07/14 10:38, Quim Gil wrote:
Siebrand and Kartik have been selected to participate in the GSoC Reunion o behalf of Wikimedia.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/ Possible_mentors#Delegates_for_Google_Summer_of_Code_Reunion
Reasoning pasted here for your convenience:
Hi, after looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors the list of possible mentors attending the GSoC Reunion, we have decided:
- Mentor 1 will be siebrand <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Siebrand
.
He has been helping in outreach programs for a long time and in different ways. He was also the only one submitting his request on time.
- Mentor 2 will be KartikMistry
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:KartikMistry, since he is mentor of two different orgs this year, and (afaik) he has been a mentor in previous editions.
Also, Google will pay their flights from far far away. Legoktm https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Legoktm, I hope you understand and share the reasoning. Your request for this year has been recorded and it will help you being select next year, if you apply as well.
Interesting that these are two translation folks, and nothing from the wider development community. I'm sure they're lovely people, but I must say this doesn't represent our diversity very well.
I know it's too late now, but considering most of us probably never even saw or considered the initial request as it was tucked away into another email about something else, in the future it might help to send out a separate email for these things, and if it comes to it, include a new deadline in the reminder (otherwise the decision comes as a complete surprise), too.
Personally I never even considered it because as a new mentor it didn't seem very appropriate for me to want to go ('delegate' is a very strong word), but more on what it would have actually entailed in the email itself would probably have helped others, too.
-I
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On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting that these are two translation folks, and nothing from the wider development community. I'm sure they're lovely people, but I must say this doesn't represent our diversity very well.
True, but considering the fact that we had three candidates, this is the most appropriate choice we could make.
I know it's too late now, but considering most of us probably never even saw or considered the initial request as it was tucked away into another email about something else, in the future it might help to send out a separate email for these things, and if it comes to it, include a new deadline in the reminder (otherwise the decision comes as a complete surprise), too.
It is reasonable to expect that Wikimedia mentors eligible to a GSoC Reunion ticket including flight and accommodation will follow GSoC news and wikitech-l, and will be proactive communicating their interest and asking the questions they have.
Communication can always be better but I don't think in this case was bad for mentors in the loop:
# in May, there was an "Introducing the 10 year Google Summer of Code Reunion!" announcement sent by Google, followed by reminders and discussions in the GSoC mentors list
# in June, there was in wikitech-l an "IMPORTANT: GSoC & OPW mid-term evaluations" email with a first line that said "(If you are a Google Summer of Code mentor, read till #The_end)".
# in July, there was a "Mentors participating in GSoC Reunion..." reminder
# and in general, watching https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors is useful
Personally I never even considered it because as a new mentor it didn't seem very appropriate for me to want to go ('delegate' is a very strong word), but more on what it would have actually entailed in the email itself would probably have helped others, too.
Google's announcements point to https://sites.google.com/site/gsocmentorsummitstudentreunion/home . If mentors have questions, they can always ask here or at the mentors list.
Anyway, it is indeed too late now for any changes. Ideas for improvement in 2015 are welcome.
On 10/07/14 10:21, Quim Gil wrote:
On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting that these are two translation folks, and nothing from the wider development community. I'm sure they're lovely people, but I must say this doesn't represent our diversity very well.
True, but considering the fact that we had three candidates, this is the most appropriate choice we could make.
I know it's too late now, but considering most of us probably never even saw or considered the initial request as it was tucked away into another email about something else, in the future it might help to send out a separate email for these things, and if it comes to it, include a new deadline in the reminder (otherwise the decision comes as a complete surprise), too.
It is reasonable to expect that Wikimedia mentors eligible to a GSoC Reunion ticket including flight and accommodation will follow GSoC news and wikitech-l, and will be proactive communicating their interest and asking the questions they have.
Communication can always be better but I don't think in this case was bad for mentors in the loop:
# in May, there was an "Introducing the 10 year Google Summer of Code Reunion!" announcement sent by Google, followed by reminders and discussions in the GSoC mentors list
The Google introduction was nice, but didn't say much for what the specific organisation was doing, or what it would mean to us within a Wikimedia context. That's what we needed to know, and that's what should have been in the main email.
# in June, there was in wikitech-l an "IMPORTANT: GSoC & OPW mid-term evaluations" email with a first line that said "(If you are a Google Summer of Code mentor, read till #The_end)".
The 'read till #The_end' thing made it sound like we were supposed to stop reading at that point. Even assuming we ignored that and kept reading, it wasn't a whole lot of information to go on, and given that evaluations are a pretty huge thing all by themselves, you can understand that we would have had... other priorities at that point.
# in July, there was a "Mentors participating in GSoC Reunion..." reminder
This is all most of us probably saw. By then it was too late, as it left us only a day and a half to actually make a decision and sign up. Since we didn't know it only gave us a day and a half because it didn't say, who knows how many folks would have otherwise signed up after that.
# and in general, watching https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors is useful
Personally I never even considered it because as a new mentor it didn't seem very appropriate for me to want to go ('delegate' is a very strong word), but more on what it would have actually entailed in the email itself would probably have helped others, too.
Google's announcements point to https://sites.google.com/site/gsocmentorsummitstudentreunion/home . If mentors have questions, they can always ask here or at the mentors list.
Again, what the thing is to Google is not always what it is to the specific organisation.
Anyway, it is indeed too late now for any changes. Ideas for improvement in 2015 are welcome.
This is an idea for improvement - better, and specific heads up about this - and one that at least two mentors are telling you right now. If you're open to ideas for improvement for next year, why are you arguing that, no, it was good enough, with this one?
-I
On Thursday, July 10, 2014, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
This is an idea for improvement - better, and specific heads up about this
- and one that at least two mentors are telling you right now. If you're
open to ideas for improvement for next year, why are you arguing that, no, it was good enough, with this one?
As explained, I think the communication sent to mentors was good enough for whoever was following and interested. It can certainly be improved next year. We will do as you propose.
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