The only issue I see would be if database threads crowd out apache on the old server, and all the foreign wiki's go down, while the English wiki stays up. This could create new tensions with the foreign wiki's.
-----Original Message----- From: Lee Daniel Crocker [mailto:lee@piclab.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:13 PM To: wikitech-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Ad-hoc changes
(Brion Vibber vibber@aludra.usc.edu): [Configuration info]
Here's a thought: when we get the new server up, let's install the English wiki cleanly from the distribution, make sure it's all happy, then do the switch, _leaving the foreign wikis on the old server_ for a while, then do the same thing for each of the foreign ones in turn, updating them to the newest software, and making everything in sync, before we shut down apache on the old server.
Any problems with that?
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Christensen wrote:
The only issue I see would be if database threads crowd out apache on the old server, and all the foreign wiki's go down, while the English wiki stays up. This could create new tensions with the foreign wiki's.
And this potential temporary situation would be different from the present how?
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--- Brion Vibber vibber@aludra.usc.edu wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Christensen wrote:
The only issue I see would be if database threads
crowd out apache on
the old server, and all the foreign wiki's go
down, while the English
wiki stays up. This could create new tensions
with the foreign wiki's.
And this potential temporary situation would be different from the present how?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
This is not a very nice comment Brion. I think people are very tired of the server being very very slow, and will be quite tolerant
At least, I hope so.
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--- Mark Christensen mchristensen@humantech.com wrote:
The only issue I see would be if database threads crowd out apache on the old server, and all the foreign wiki's go down, while the English wiki stays up. This could create new tensions with the foreign wiki's.
-----Original Message----- From: Lee Daniel Crocker [mailto:lee@piclab.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:13 PM To: wikitech-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Ad-hoc changes
(Brion Vibber vibber@aludra.usc.edu): [Configuration info]
Here's a thought: when we get the new server up, let's install the English wiki cleanly from the distribution, make sure it's all happy, then do the switch, _leaving the foreign wikis on the old server_ for a while, then do the same thing for each of the foreign ones in turn, updating them to the newest software, and making everything in sync, before we shut down apache on the old server.
Any problems with that?
It depends on the following points
1) what does it imply that english is on one server, and the international wikis on another ?
Does that impact only on the interwiki links ? If so, we can very well put a message on the main page, on the recent change and on the pump to warn users of the event. (Were would the links go to meanwhile ?)
Are there other impacts as well ?
2) what does that mean "for a while" ? Depends on the length of the while. A month would be an delay difficult to accept I guess. A couple of days probably would not.
Fact is, when an update is done on the en server, the base is locked for quite a long time. Our updates are of course done much more quickly. I think if you tell internationals "everyone is down for 2 days - then all will be set (with luck)" versus "we take care of the english first - meanwhile your wikis are up - and we will take of you one after the others within 5 days", the second option could maybe be preferred.
Of course, I have no idea of what delay means :-)
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