Dear Gerard,
your wrote
The current "external.png" implementation is horribly broken in languages that are right to left like Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic. So let's create a "pdf icon" only when the implementation of the external.png is fixed. Let's not add more garbage in a manner that we know is broken.
however, it doesn't matter, where that icon actually is (left or right -- this can be programmable, dependent on the direction of writing).
My point is, do we want this or not ?
Tom
On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 23:44 +0100, Thomas Gries wrote:
My point is, do we want this or not ?
You could do a sample implementation and a nice icon, maybe something like this: html[dir="ltr"] #bodyContent a[href $=".pdf"] { background: url("your_pdf_icon.gif") center right no-repeat; padding-right: 16px; }
Thomas Gries wrote:
Dear Gerard,
your wrote
The current "external.png" implementation is horribly broken in languages that are right to left like Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic. So let's create a "pdf icon" only when the implementation of the external.png is fixed. Let's not add more garbage in a manner that we know is broken.
however, it doesn't matter, where that icon actually is (left or right -- this can be programmable, dependent on the direction of writing).
My point is, do we want this or not ?
Tom
My point is that I do not want something that is broken. Forward portability is nonsense when it breaks things. So Firefox and Mozilla NEED to be on the list of browsers that should not show it. The code should automagically decide on being right OR left depending on the language. As to do we want it. I do not want it as long as there is no audience for it. (No IE no Firefox/Mozilla for whom are you doing this ??)
PS there is a Firefox bug report about this one.
Thanks, GerardM
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 09:47 +0100, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
My point is that I do not want something that is broken. Forward portability is nonsense when it breaks things. So Firefox and Mozilla NEED to be on the list of browsers that should not show it. The code should automagically decide on being right OR left depending on the language.
The snippet i posted only applies for LTR languages (the html[dir="ltr"] selector does this), hence avoiding any problems with RTL browser bugs.
As to do we want it. I do not want it as long as there is no audience for it. (No IE no Firefox/Mozilla for whom are you doing this ??)
Support in LTR languages is quite good- Opera, Safari, Gecko(Mozilla/Firefox) all support this. Of course IE doesn't know CSS2 and CSS3 selectors.
Gabriel Wicke wrote:
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 09:47 +0100, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
My point is that I do not want something that is broken. Forward portability is nonsense when it breaks things. So Firefox and Mozilla NEED to be on the list of browsers that should not show it. The code should automagically decide on being right OR left depending on the language.
The snippet i posted only applies for LTR languages (the html[dir="ltr"] selector does this), hence avoiding any problems with RTL browser bugs.
As to do we want it. I do not want it as long as there is no audience for it. (No IE no Firefox/Mozilla for whom are you doing this ??)
Support in LTR languages is quite good- Opera, Safari, Gecko(Mozilla/Firefox) all support this. Of course IE doesn't know CSS2 and CSS3 selectors.
If it is as simple as that why not fix the "external" thingie in this manner, I do not care for it in the first place; using it in relation to soundfiles that reside in Commons is horrible and wrong. But if it "must" be, fix it so that the right to left languages do not suffer from this ugly bug and have a html[dir="rtl" in there as well. When it is such a good thing to have do not discriminate against languages that you do not use. Thanks, GerardM
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On Monday 10 January 2005 09:47, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Thomas Gries wrote:
Dear Gerard,
your wrote
The current "external.png" implementation is horribly broken in languages that are right to left like Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic. So let's create a "pdf icon" only when the implementation of the external.png is fixed. Let's not add more garbage in a manner that we know is broken.
however, it doesn't matter, where that icon actually is (left or right -- this can be programmable, dependent on the direction of writing).
My point is, do we want this or not ?
Tom
My point is that I do not want something that is broken. Forward portability is nonsense when it breaks things. So Firefox and Mozilla NEED to be on the list of browsers that should not show it.
As a left-to-right firefox user, I like the little external icon (and a .pdf one would be nice, although I don't think I have seen a PDF link yet), thankyouverymuch.
If you can fix the icons for right-to-left or other borken browsers, fine. This is, however, independend on whether PDF should have an icon or not.
Maybe the broken-browser-dont-show-icons code needs to be adjusted, or a user setting ("Disable link icons") needs to be added.
Best wishes,
Tels
The code should automagically decide on being right OR left depending on the language. As to do we want it. I do not want it as long as there is no audience for it. (No IE no Firefox/Mozilla for whom are you doing this ??)
PS there is a Firefox bug report about this one.
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Thomas Gries wrote:
The current "external.png" implementation is horribly broken in languages that are right to left like Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic. So let's create a "pdf icon" only when the implementation of the external.png is fixed. Let's not add more garbage in a manner that we know is broken.
however, it doesn't matter, where that icon actually is (left or right -- this can be programmable, dependent on the direction of writing). My point is, do we want this or not ?
How do you want to detect whether an URL points to a PDF-file (i. e. not something that Internet Exlporer would executeable but is called "something.pdf")
Hendrik
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