Hello,
I am willing to know if we are willing to use a blog software to communicate with wikipedians and mediawiki users.
Developpers and wikifarm administrators will be able to post lengthy articles about the various things happening. Be it new servers added to the farm, new features being developped or polling the user base to help us make choices.
We already have this mailing list, irc to discuss issues but important announcments are flooded with questions and generals ideas. We also have the server admin log wich is great for the hour per hour action logging as well as for internal documentation. But I think a blog will attract more people and will easily provide rss feed + comments :o)
This afternoon I ported monobook to the serendipity blog software. You can have a quick look at it on http://www.twenkill.net/serendipity/ .
cheers,
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 00:15 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
Hello,
I am willing to know if we are willing to use a blog software to communicate with wikipedians and mediawiki users.
Any particular reason not to do it as a wikiblog?
~ESP
Evan Prodromou wrote:
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 00:15 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
Hello,
I am willing to know if we are willing to use a blog software to communicate with wikipedians and mediawiki users.
Any particular reason not to do it as a wikiblog?
Basicly : RSS feeds, automatic archiving and the ability to only read the content that matter (eg split posts using "development", "wikifarm" and categories).
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 01:52 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
I am willing to know if we are willing to use a blog software to communicate with wikipedians and mediawiki users.
Any particular reason not to do it as a wikiblog?
Basicly : RSS feeds, automatic archiving and the ability to only read the content that matter (eg split posts using "development", "wikifarm" and categories).
Is there something in there MediaWiki can't do?
I think http://dev.wikimedia.org/ would be a good place to have a development wiki with blog stuff.
~ESP
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:05:32 -0400, Evan Prodromou evan@wikitravel.org wrote:
I think http://dev.wikimedia.org/ would be a good place to have a development wiki with blog stuff.
There are already two development wikis. One is at http://mediawiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and never used. The other is at http://wp.wikidev.net/Main_Page which makes more sense than dev.wikimedia.org would because it means the developers still have their stuff to work from when Wikimedia's servers are down.
The ability to add something blog-like to an existing wiki page would be better than having to have it outside the wiki. You lose the advantages of recent changes, watchlists, contributions lists etc if you have to use an external forum. I think this why the Wikimedia Boards at http://boards.wikimedia.org never took off.
Angela.
The ability to add something blog-like to an existing wiki page would be better than having to have it outside the wiki. You lose the advantages of recent changes, watchlists, contributions lists etc if you have to use an external forum. I think this why the Wikimedia Boards at http://boards.wikimedia.org never took off.
Angela.
Looks like my next task will be to create a phpbb<->mediawiki communication :o)
Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
Looks like my next task will be to create a phpbb<->mediawiki communication :o)
I would wait until Erik shared his mockups and specs for LiquidThreads with us. Evaluating those, and getting them coded if they look like what we need, would probably be a great step forward for MediaWiki.
Ivan
I proposed something similar some weeks ago, WikiForum. Here is the idea: - New thread is created into "thread:" namespace then anybody can edit it like all other pages. - Each time a thread file is edited a forum page is rebuild according to last modified thread. - The X lasted threads are fully included into forum page (like templates). - The Y next threads are included into a table showing some information (title, date of last modification, last modifier, etc.) - All is full Mediawiki compatible (same syntax, same user account, etc.). In fact the idea aimed on create an auto–cleaning village pump (=the forum) but I think we can enhance it to provide RSS/ATOM feed and so on. I created a prototype that some wikipedians tried, but I didn't carry on the development. If someone is interest in sharing experience and go on this idea or something similar, contact me.
Aoineko
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 05:56:10PM +0900, Guillaume Blanchard wrote:
I proposed something similar some weeks ago, WikiForum. Here is the idea:
- New thread is created into "thread:" namespace then anybody can edit
it like all other pages.
- Each time a thread file is edited a forum page is rebuild according to
last modified thread.
- The X lasted threads are fully included into forum page (like templates).
- The Y next threads are included into a table showing some information
(title, date of last modification, last modifier, etc.)
- All is full Mediawiki compatible (same syntax, same user account, etc.).
In fact the idea aimed on create an auto?cleaning village pump (=the forum) but I think we can enhance it to provide RSS/ATOM feed and so on. I created a prototype that some wikipedians tried, but I didn't carry on the development. If someone is interest in sharing experience and go on this idea or something similar, contact me.
Didn't you already have code for it? Some weeks ago, someone posted test links for such a thing in IRC, was it you or hashar?
JeLuF
you dropped the forum idea ? :-)
Ashar Voultoiz a écrit:
Hello,
I am willing to know if we are willing to use a blog software to communicate with wikipedians and mediawiki users.
Developpers and wikifarm administrators will be able to post lengthy articles about the various things happening. Be it new servers added to the farm, new features being developped or polling the user base to help us make choices.
We already have this mailing list, irc to discuss issues but important announcments are flooded with questions and generals ideas. We also have the server admin log wich is great for the hour per hour action logging as well as for internal documentation. But I think a blog will attract more people and will easily provide rss feed + comments :o)
This afternoon I ported monobook to the serendipity blog software. You can have a quick look at it on http://www.twenkill.net/serendipity/ .
cheers,
Ashar-
Developpers and wikifarm administrators will be able to post lengthy articles about the various things happening. Be it new servers added to the farm, new features being developped or polling the user base to help us make choices.
I strongly believe that MediaWiki should support chronological display of content blocks. Essentially, you would have something like
{{News:5 new abstracts}}
which would insert summaries of the 5 most recently created pages from the News: namespace in reverse chronological order + link to talk page. This could be done with any existing namespace. (The abstracts would have to somehow marked up in the source page, e.g. using <abstract></abstract>.)
What about updates? This could be solved through the minor/major edit flags. Minor edits do not affect the sort order, while major edits push a story to the top.
Add in a "Post new entry" link that creates a page in the desired namespace, and you've got a nice wikiblog. For Wikinews I think some more advanced workflow will be necessary, but for what you are proposing this should be enough.
So I strongly suggest hacking on something like this instead of installing a blog software. Blogs are a dime a dozen and do not make good use of the potential of collaboration.
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Ashar-
Developpers and wikifarm administrators will be able to post lengthy articles about the various things happening. Be it new servers added to the farm, new features being developped or polling the user base to help us make choices.
I strongly believe that MediaWiki should support chronological display of content blocks. Essentially, you would have something like
{{News:5 new abstracts}}which would insert summaries of the 5 most recently created pages from the News: namespace in reverse chronological order + link to talk page. This could be done with any existing namespace. (The abstracts would have to somehow marked up in the source page, e.g. using <abstract></abstract>.)
What about updates? This could be solved through the minor/major edit flags. Minor edits do not affect the sort order, while major edits push a story to the top.
Add in a "Post new entry" link that creates a page in the desired namespace, and you've got a nice wikiblog. For Wikinews I think some more advanced workflow will be necessary, but for what you are proposing this should be enough.
So I strongly suggest hacking on something like this instead of installing a blog software. Blogs are a dime a dozen and do not make good use of the potential of collaboration.
Regards,
Erik
Helo,
Of course it's possible to hack MediaWiki further more. But I believe it's far easier to install a blog software, have it ready and set up in like 10 minutes.
The aim of the blog will not aim at building a cooperative content, that's what wiki is for. Instead it will help easily publish important messages from the dev/admin team to the userbase be it maintenance, new releases, ongoing changes available on test.wikipedia.org .
Helo,
Of course it's possible to hack MediaWiki further more. But I believe it's far easier to install a blog software, have it ready and set up in like 10 minutes.
The aim of the blog will not aim at building a cooperative content, that's what wiki is for. Instead it will help easily publish important messages from the dev/admin team to the userbase be it maintenance, new releases, ongoing changes available on test.wikipedia.org .
In other words, just because you have a hammer, that doesn't make everything a nail.
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