I am one of sysops at cs: Wikipedia. Recently there was a spate registered user's disruptive edits somewhere between trolling and outright vandalism. There is a need to ban him temporarily, but there's no way to do it:
As far as I understood en:Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#How_to_block, you're just supposed to go to Special:Blockip, or cs:SpeciálnÃ:Blockip, and put the username into the IP address field. However, this results in the MediaWiki:Badipaddress error message.
I don't know anything about MediaWiki and have no particular understanding of PHP, but the respective script in CVS (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/includes/SpecialBlock.... php?rev=1.30) also tests the variable $wgSysopUserBans, which apparently (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/includes/DefaultSetti... .php?rev=1.30) is false by default:
# User rights (...) $wgSysopUserBans = false; # Allow sysops to ban logged-in users
I, or at least Google, found no other instance of the variable anywhere, so no way to set it to true either. On the other hand, there must be a way to do it - there are bannings going on at en: all the time. So, could somebody with better knowledge of the system tell me whether I missed anything, or whom should I ask to set this in cs? Or is there a workaround, a way to find out a registered user's IP address?
Thanks a lot for any help.
Jan, this is the right place to ask, and I hope others will chime in with advice. I'm not very helpful with such things myself, but I do hope your request doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
Jan, this is the right place to ask, and I hope others will chime in with advice. I'm not very helpful with such things myself, but I do hope your request doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
Hello.
I added a line for cs: at the $wgSysopUserBans in the InitialiseSettings.php. You should be able to ban registered users now on the cs: Wikipedia.
By the way, I also added that line for the it: Wikipedia after a request in IRC.
Sincerly yours, Fire
If any of the other wikis would like username blocking enabled, they can request it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-development_tasks_for_developers
Angela.
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:52:46 +0200, Ronny Raschkowan ronny@kopfrechnung.de wrote:
I added a line for cs: at the $wgSysopUserBans in the InitialiseSettings.php. You should be able to ban registered users now on the cs: Wikipedia.
By the way, I also added that line for the it: Wikipedia after a request in IRC.
Sincerly yours, Fire
Angela_ wrote:
If any of the other wikis would like username blocking enabled, they can request it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-development_tasks_for_developers
Why isn't it enabled for all Wikipedias?
Timwi wrote:
Angela_ wrote:
If any of the other wikis would like username blocking enabled, they can request it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-development_tasks_for_developers
Why isn't it enabled for all Wikipedias?
Because when the feature was set up, it was the ultimate move in a long controversy. Adding this new feature was done solely on needs expressed by the english wikipedia. The feature was made customizable to allow local decisions to use it or not. I think that most would now agree that this has been good, and should be made default everywhere. In particular because history of the feature set up being lost, some wikis do not understand why it does not work for them :-)
In message 8b722b80040720143078f3360e@mail.gmail.com, Angela_ beesley@gmail.com writes
If any of the other wikis would like username blocking enabled, they can request it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-development_tasks_for_developers
Angela.
Oh great, another Meta page that most people won't know exists! :(
Please excuse my cynicism, Angela, but I am in despair to see that the top two links off that page are [[Meta:Language files to be updated]] and [[Meta:Requests for languageXX.php update ]], when I have in the last week or so posted both here and on Wiki-en asking whether anybody actually monitors those pages and perhaps even occasionally actions requests on those particular pages since there are currently outstanding update requests going back many months, and only got a reply saying that the MediaWiki strings have largely superseded the language files. Yes, I KNOW that, but there are still things which can only be tweaked using the language file.
I've had a request for an update to LanguageCy.php for over two weeks now, because we've got a mis-spelling in the name for "July". I realise we can't expect the developers to drop everything but the present total silence gives us no indication that anyone has even noticed our request, let alone give us an indication of when it might possibly be done. In the last half hour I've written a reply to a complaint on [[cy:Wicipedia:Y Caffi]] from a user who was complaining that while the Welsh word for redirect, ail-cyfeirio, works, when an article is moved the system puts "redirect" in the article, which no longer works because the current version of the language file doesn't have the English synonym in it; the version I've asked to be applied does. I said it should be fixed soon -- am I to be shown up as a liar?
I'm sorry, but from my seat on the sidelines of this mailing list I get the impression that the developers are more interested in writing version 4 of MediaWiki than in getting version 3 to work properly in all languages.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:44:42AM +0100, Arwel Parry wrote:
In message 8b722b80040720143078f3360e@mail.gmail.com, Angela_ beesley@gmail.com writes
If any of the other wikis would like username blocking enabled, they can request it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-development_tasks_for_developers
Angela.
Oh great, another Meta page that most people won't know exists! :(
Please excuse my cynicism, Angela, but I am in despair to see that the top two links off that page are [[Meta:Language files to be updated]] and [[Meta:Requests for languageXX.php update ]], when I have in the last week or so posted both here and on Wiki-en asking whether anybody actually monitors those pages and perhaps even occasionally actions requests on those particular pages since there are currently outstanding update requests going back many months, and only got a reply saying that the MediaWiki strings have largely superseded the language files. Yes, I KNOW that, but there are still things which can only be tweaked using the language file.
I've had a request for an update to LanguageCy.php for over two weeks now, because we've got a mis-spelling in the name for "July".
Hi Arwel,
the problem with the LanguageXX.php pages on meta is that they are maintained by people who act in good faith, but are not involved in the development processes. LanguageCy.php for example is based on revision 1.12. That is a revision from the current "development" branch, not from the "stable" branch wikipedia.org is based on. If I apply that file to the site, lots of things would be broken. Now I have to try to get the diffs from the file to find out what has changed. History is only of limited help since it contains both your changes to the content and your changes caused by the script changes in CVS.
Regards,
JeLuF
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:59:47 +0200, Jens Frank jeluf@gmx.de wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:44:42AM +0100, Arwel Parry wrote:
I've had a request for an update to LanguageCy.php for over two weeks now, because we've got a mis-spelling in the name for "July".
Hi Arwel,
the problem with the LanguageXX.php pages on meta is that they are maintained by people who act in good faith, but are not involved in the development processes. LanguageCy.php for example is based on revision 1.12. That is a revision from the current "development" branch, not from the "stable" branch wikipedia.org is based on. If I apply that
I imagine that Arwel would be happy to provide a file based on the current wikipedia.org branch, if it were easy to figure out what branch that was... it looks as though she has been regularly uploading new revisions to the file as new branches come out. Where can that information be found? This is not the first time I have wished that Special:Version provided more detailed information.
What is the correct current process for updating messages not currently customizable by Mediawiki? If for some reason [1] the four-month backlog on [[Requests for languageXX.php update]] is intentional, there are 15 people who have filed requests who should be informed of that (and I would be glad to inform them... but should be able to tell them the answer to the above question first).
--sj--
[1] http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-July/016115.html
Arwel Parry wrote:
In message 8b722b80040720143078f3360e@mail.gmail.com, Angela_ beesley@gmail.com writes
If any of the other wikis would like username blocking enabled, they can request it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-development_tasks_for_developers
Angela.
Oh great, another Meta page that most people won't know exists! :(
Please excuse my cynicism, Angela, but I am in despair to see that the top two links off that page are [[Meta:Language files to be updated]] and [[Meta:Requests for languageXX.php update ]], when I have in the last week or so posted both here and on Wiki-en asking whether anybody actually monitors those pages and perhaps even occasionally actions requests on those particular pages since there are currently outstanding update requests going back many months, and only got a reply saying that the MediaWiki strings have largely superseded the language files. Yes, I KNOW that, but there are still things which can only be tweaked using the language file.
I've had a request for an update to LanguageCy.php for over two weeks now, because we've got a mis-spelling in the name for "July". I realise we can't expect the developers to drop everything but the present total silence gives us no indication that anyone has even noticed our request, let alone give us an indication of when it might possibly be done. In the last half hour I've written a reply to a complaint on [[cy:Wicipedia:Y Caffi]] from a user who was complaining that while the Welsh word for redirect, ail-cyfeirio, works, when an article is moved the system puts "redirect" in the article, which no longer works because the current version of the language file doesn't have the English synonym in it; the version I've asked to be applied does. I said it should be fixed soon -- am I to be shown up as a liar?
I'm sorry, but from my seat on the sidelines of this mailing list I get the impression that the developers are more interested in writing version 4 of MediaWiki than in getting version 3 to work properly in all languages.
Hello Arwel,
The best notification will be to send a mail here then reach irc (server: irc.freenode.net channel: #mediawiki) and notif devs here and make sure someone looks at the bug / feature.
As for the meta pages, I personally find meta a big and unorganised mess (although it tends to be a lot better than 2 years ago). I personally rarely monitor pages there.
As for developpers focuses, most of us are also admins of the wikimedia server farm and that kept most of us really busy to get the site working correctly. Also it's holliday time, I personally prefer spending sometime outside than sitting in front of my computer trying to fix misterious langages.
Finally, before we start the development of the 1.4 serie with some major new features (parser / new db shema ..) we have some things to complete like xml import, installer fixing, langages updates.
Maybe we can start making a weekly newsletter of what's happening in cvs :o)
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