After being subscribed to the list for two weeks and posting three mails on one subject I received spam on the address that I used to subscribe/post.
Either address harvesters are adapting to read the "name at domain" format that is used in the archive, or they auto-subscribe to mailinglists to get addresses from the traffic, or the news gateways leaks addresses, or whatever...
I'll unsubscribe and put this address on my blacklist of burnt addresses.
cheers -henrik
H. Langos wrote:
After being subscribed to the list for two weeks and posting three mails on one subject I received spam on the address that I used to subscribe/post.
Either address harvesters are adapting to read the "name at domain" format that is used in the archive, or they auto-subscribe to mailinglists to get addresses from the traffic, or the news gateways leaks addresses, or whatever...
I'll unsubscribe and put this address on my blacklist of burnt addresses.
cheers -henrik
If you add a "X-Archive: encrypt" header, gmane will encrypt your email addresses http://gmane.org/tmda.php
I guess you may read this, but you don't make easy to reach you :)
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 07:48:10PM +0200, Platonides wrote:
H. Langos wrote:
After being subscribed to the list for two weeks and posting three mails on one subject I received spam on the address that I used to subscribe/post.
Either address harvesters are adapting to read the "name at domain" format that is used in the archive, or they auto-subscribe to mailinglists to get addresses from the traffic, or the news gateways leaks addresses, or whatever...
I'll unsubscribe and put this address on my blacklist of burnt addresses.
cheers -henrik
If you add a "X-Archive: encrypt" header, gmane will encrypt your email addresses http://gmane.org/tmda.php
I guess you may read this, but you don't make easy to reach you :)
Thank you for that hint. I'll try this when subscribing with a different address. We'll see if that will keep that address from getting spammed.
cheers -henrik
"H. Langos" henrik-mw@prak.org wrote:
After being subscribed to the list for two weeks and posting three mails on one subject I received spam on the address that I used to subscribe/post.
Either address harvesters are adapting to read the "name at domain" format that is used in the archive, or they auto-subscribe to mailinglists to get addresses from the traffic, or the news gateways leaks addresses, or whatever...
I'll unsubscribe and put this address on my blacklist of burnt addresses.
If you add a "X-Archive: encrypt" header, gmane will encrypt your email addresses http://gmane.org/tmda.php
I guess you may read this, but you don't make easy to reach you :)
Thank you for that hint. I'll try this when subscribing with a different address. We'll see if that will keep that address from getting spammed.
Working on the assumption that you could withhold email ad- dresses from spammers is like trying to evade STDs by dating virgins - it will not succeed.
Set up a decent spam filter if you need a technical solu- tion, and you're done.
Tim
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:41:08PM +0000, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
"H. Langos" henrik-mw@prak.org wrote:
I'll unsubscribe and put this address on my blacklist of burnt addresses.
If you add a "X-Archive: encrypt" header, gmane will encrypt your email addresses http://gmane.org/tmda.php
I guess you may read this, but you don't make easy to reach you :)
Thank you for that hint. I'll try this when subscribing with a different address. We'll see if that will keep that address from getting spammed.
Working on the assumption that you could withhold email ad- dresses from spammers is like trying to evade STDs by dating virgins - it will not succeed.
That's why I use address extensions. This way I can deactivate addresses. To stay in your metaphor I use a a different condom for every partner that I have sex with. If one of the condoms gets a funny smell, I know that the person tried to give me a less than pleasant souvenir.
Set up a decent spam filter if you need a technical solu- tion, and you're done.
Now you are working in the assumption that I don't have a decent spam filter. But a spam filter will only work if there is enough information that distinguishes the spam from your ham. In this case the UCE was about a software product to visualize large amounts of data. Something that would even pass a very well trained bayesian filter as it contained a lot of words that are used on this list.
cheers -henrik
"H. Langos" henrik-mw@prak.org wrote:
I'll unsubscribe and put this address on my blacklist of burnt addresses.
If you add a "X-Archive: encrypt" header, gmane will encrypt your email addresses http://gmane.org/tmda.php
I guess you may read this, but you don't make easy to reach you :)
Thank you for that hint. I'll try this when subscribing with a different address. We'll see if that will keep that address from getting spammed.
Working on the assumption that you could withhold email ad- dresses from spammers is like trying to evade STDs by dating virgins - it will not succeed.
That's why I use address extensions. This way I can deactivate addresses. To stay in your metaphor I use a a different condom for every partner that I have sex with. If one of the condoms gets a funny smell, I know that the person tried to give me a less than pleasant souvenir.
So you will abandon MediaWiki because you have received a spam mail somehow connected with it? Otherwise that know- ledge is rather useless.
Set up a decent spam filter if you need a technical solu- tion, and you're done.
Now you are working in the assumption that I don't have a decent spam filter. But a spam filter will only work if there is enough information that distinguishes the spam from your ham. In this case the UCE was about a software product to visualize large amounts of data. Something that would even pass a very well trained bayesian filter as it contained a lot of words that are used on this list.
Well, that is what the if-clause in that sentence is for. I do not have any fancy filter except a basic SPF configura- tion, I have not deactivated any widely used email addresses in the past 13 years, I have published those email addresses nearly everywhere and the statistics show 17 spam mails in the last 24 hours. It probably took me longer to write this paragraph than deleting the spam mails of the past week. And compared to the time spent on sifting through mailing lists, newsletters, RSS feeds, newsgroups & Co. for something nu- tritious in the "ham", the effort on spam handling is truly negligible.
If the prospect of receiving one (1) spam mail is cause of so much worrying to you, I doubt that there is any technical solution (wherever deployed) that will make you happy. To strain the metaphor above: Only abstinence provides 100 % protection, yet rather few people choose this path (probably for a reason :-)).
Tim
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 01:06:33AM +0000, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
So you will abandon MediaWiki because you have received a spam mail somehow connected with it? Otherwise that know- ledge is rather useless.
No, I will not. I will simply follow the advise and add a "X-Archive: encrypt" header to my mailer configuration. Then I will subscribe with a different address extension and see what happens.
Set up a decent spam filter if you need a technical solu- tion, and you're done.
Frankly, if a technical solution would have filtered out that email I would have been upset about a wrong positive. I guess I shouldn't have used the term "spam" as it conjures up pictures of emails trying to sell you the latest and best in pharmaceuticals or getting rich fast schemas.
I really was more of a UCE. An comercial email that I didn't ask for. It was within my sphere of interest and had it arrived two weeks earlier, it might have found me in the need for such a product. (Consequently I would have had to rule out the use of that specific product as I don't condone the use of UCE as marketing method.) The only way I can be sure that it is a UCE and not just the usual business noise, is the use of the address extension that I used to subscribe to this list.
Imagine you are working at a decent internet pharmacy (if there is such a thing) and your spam filter starts to filter email concerning the range of products that you deal with. You might have to rely on other methods to keep your inbox managable than content filtering.
If the prospect of receiving one (1) spam mail is cause of so much worrying to you, I doubt that there is any technical solution (wherever deployed) that will make you happy. To strain the metaphor above: Only abstinence provides 100 % protection, yet rather few people choose this path (probably for a reason :-)).
I still prefer condoms in contrast to filtering out the stuff that I might catch otherwise :-) ... but thats a matter of personal preference and should not cause more debate on a list that should be dedicated to technical aspects of mediawiki.
I will not enter into a dick measuring contest about spam filtering fu. I congratulate everybody who didn't receive any spam for the last two weeks. Sorry to have wastet people's time.
cheers -henrik
BTW: Maybe we have a misunderstood the metaphor. For me "sex" is the metaphor equivalent of "communicating", not "showing people my email address".
Sometimes I think geeks should be banned from using metaphor. This thread is a top 5 contender for the strangest threads ever seen on the reliably staid wikitech-l.
Brianna
2009/6/18 H. Langos henrik-mw@prak.org:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 01:06:33AM +0000, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
So you will abandon MediaWiki because you have received a spam mail somehow connected with it? Otherwise that know- ledge is rather useless.
No, I will not. I will simply follow the advise and add a "X-Archive: encrypt" header to my mailer configuration. Then I will subscribe with a different address extension and see what happens.
Set up a decent spam filter if you need a technical solu- tion, and you're done.
Frankly, if a technical solution would have filtered out that email I would have been upset about a wrong positive. I guess I shouldn't have used the term "spam" as it conjures up pictures of emails trying to sell you the latest and best in pharmaceuticals or getting rich fast schemas.
I really was more of a UCE. An comercial email that I didn't ask for. It was within my sphere of interest and had it arrived two weeks earlier, it might have found me in the need for such a product. (Consequently I would have had to rule out the use of that specific product as I don't condone the use of UCE as marketing method.) The only way I can be sure that it is a UCE and not just the usual business noise, is the use of the address extension that I used to subscribe to this list.
Imagine you are working at a decent internet pharmacy (if there is such a thing) and your spam filter starts to filter email concerning the range of products that you deal with. You might have to rely on other methods to keep your inbox managable than content filtering.
If the prospect of receiving one (1) spam mail is cause of so much worrying to you, I doubt that there is any technical solution (wherever deployed) that will make you happy. To strain the metaphor above: Only abstinence provides 100 % protection, yet rather few people choose this path (probably for a reason :-)).
I still prefer condoms in contrast to filtering out the stuff that I might catch otherwise :-) ... but thats a matter of personal preference and should not cause more debate on a list that should be dedicated to technical aspects of mediawiki.
I will not enter into a dick measuring contest about spam filtering fu. I congratulate everybody who didn't receive any spam for the last two weeks. Sorry to have wastet people's time.
cheers -henrik
BTW: Maybe we have a misunderstood the metaphor. For me "sex" is the metaphor equivalent of "communicating", not "showing people my email address".
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HL> That's why I use address extensions. This way I can deactivate HL> addresses. To stay in your metaphor I use a a different condom HL> for every partner that I have sex with. If one of the condoms HL> gets a funny smell, I know that the person tried to give me a HL> less than pleasant souvenir.
I on the other hand "come out" with my jidanni@jidanni.org calling card everywhere I have s*x. No impediments for any potential new partners getting in touch with me. Plenty of new dates compared to that
"HL" == H Langos henrik-mw-34PYmlhhwB4@public.gmane.org
address you're sporting, at least here on Gmane. It works so well that I even chucked my real name, whatever that was, from "From:".
HL> But a spam filter will only work if...
My secret anti-perspirant is SpamAssassin. I don't even use the bayes jazz. Raquel Welch may be 36-24-36, and I'm $ wc < .spamassassin/user_prefs 132 591 7810
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM, H. Langos henrik-mw@prak.org wrote:
Now you are working in the assumption that I don't have a decent spam filter. But a spam filter will only work if there is enough information that distinguishes the spam from your ham. In this case the UCE was about a software product to visualize large amounts of data. Something that would even pass a very well trained bayesian filter as it contained a lot of words that are used on this list.
cheers -henrik
I know this isn't true because I am also subscribed to this list and I did not receive any spam in my inbox. We are correct in pointing out that your spam filter has weak fu.
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