Hey everyone,
I'm Dave and I work for Wikia. I've been a lurker on this list, but this is my first post and extension release, so go easy on me :P
I just wanted to let everyone know that we've bundled up some of our social features for Open Source, including basic profile information, friending, and "wall" messaging". It's been tested and runnning on sites using MW 1.10. More information can be found on the extension page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile.
If you want to see some of the features in action, check out: http://www.armchairgm.com/User:Romiezzo http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User:ED
If anyone has any questions, suggestions, or issues, please let me know.
I'm looking forward to being apart of this great community!
Thanks!
David Pean
David Pean wrote:
Hey everyone,
I'm Dave and I work for Wikia. I've been a lurker on this list, but this is my first post and extension release, so go easy on me :P
I just wanted to let everyone know that we've bundled up some of our social features for Open Source, including basic profile information, friending, and "wall" messaging". It's been tested and runnning on sites using MW 1.10. More information can be found on the extension page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile.
If you want to see some of the features in action, check out: http://www.armchairgm.com/User:Romiezzo http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User:ED
If anyone has any questions, suggestions, or issues, please let me know.
I'm looking forward to being apart of this great community!
Thanks!
David Pean
First, let me say, thanks for sharing :)
I like the extension.. I was especially interested in the "recent activities", "networks" and "statistics" sections of the user examples you gave.. unfortunately those aren't on there..
Also as a side note, the installation requires modification to AjaxFunctions, which deters a bit from installing due to having to remember that you made that change.. Also there are a lot of mysql table creations which could have been automated..
But, all together i think this is a wonderful extension..
thanks again,
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On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ben chuwiey@gmail.com wrote:
Also as a side note, the installation requires modification to AjaxFunctions, which deters a bit from installing due to having to remember that you made that change..
Don't a few Wikia people have commit access precisely so they can add hooks to avoid file edits? The change looks like it could be done pretty easily by adding a new hook.
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On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ben chuwiey@gmail.com wrote:
Also as a side note, the installation requires modification to AjaxFunctions, which deters a bit from installing due to having to remember that you made that change..
Don't a few Wikia people have commit access precisely so they can add hooks to avoid file edits? The change looks like it could be done pretty easily by adding a new hook.
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Wikia don't currently use MediaWiki trunk, surprisingly they use 1.10alpha (probably due to the amount of customizations they have making it difficult to upgrade), so any changes to the MediaWiki core wouldn't help them. I suppose that if Wikia stayed at the bleeding edge like Wikimedia they would have an easier time upgrading, although they don't have direct control over MediaWiki in the way Wikimedia have so this would be harder to accomplish.
MinuteElectron.
Actually, Wikia recently upgraded to "a" 1.12alpha version (Though, it's a real old alpha... r26409 before 99% of the new features like the parser, viewing diffs of deleted revisions, rss feed on linked changes, protection of nonexistant pages) See: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:MediaWiki_1.12_upgrade_new_features However, of course as it's the largest Wikia wiki Central has not got the upgrade yet. Nearly every other wikia has it now though.
But Wikia uses a hack to includes/SpecialListusers.php (I've seen the code, you can't do what they need to do without hacking core) in addition to using a number of extensions that Wikimedia wiki don't use and which the latest alpha versions commonly break support for until they catch up with the next release. However, that listusers issue is something I actually addressed on bugzilla, perhaps someone should look over my patch on bug12542 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12542 if you want to make it any easier for Wikia to keep up with trunk. Remember that Wikia has almost 6000 wiki and it's hard to make sure that updating anything on them all (including extensions which are on older versions) doesn't break any of the techniques used on any of the wiki.
It's another matter, but Wikia is also having a little issues with setting up an area for it's "Volunteer Developers", we'd help package up code and make things releasable, but there's no real place to do that.
~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com)
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On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ben chuwiey@gmail.com wrote:
Also as a side note, the installation requires modification to AjaxFunctions, which deters a bit from installing due to having to remember that you made that change..
Don't a few Wikia people have commit access precisely so they can add hooks to avoid file edits? The change looks like it could be done pretty easily by adding a new hook.
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Wikia don't currently use MediaWiki trunk, surprisingly they use 1.10alpha (probably due to the amount of customizations they have making it difficult to upgrade), so any changes to the MediaWiki core wouldn't help them. I suppose that if Wikia stayed at the bleeding edge like Wikimedia they would have an easier time upgrading, although they don't have direct control over MediaWiki in the way Wikimedia have so this would be harder to accomplish.
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On 02/03/2008, DanTMan dan_the_man@telus.net wrote:
Actually, Wikia recently upgraded to "a" 1.12alpha version (Though, it's a real old alpha... r26409 before 99% of the new features like the parser, viewing diffs of deleted revisions, rss feed on linked changes, protection of nonexistant pages) See: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:MediaWiki_1.12_upgrade_new_features However, of course as it's the largest Wikia wiki Central has not got the upgrade yet. Nearly every other wikia has it now though.
I thought Uncyclopedia and Memory Alpha were the largest ones ...
- d.
On 02/03/2008, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/03/2008, DanTMan dan_the_man@telus.net wrote:
However, of course as it's the largest Wikia wiki Central has not got the upgrade yet. Nearly every other wikia has it now though.
I thought Uncyclopedia and Memory Alpha were the largest ones ...
I am told that StarWars.wikia.com, WoWWiki.com, and eq2i.com are now larger.
We now take you back to on-topic matters ;-)
- d.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:44 AM, MinuteElectron minuteelectron@googlemail.com wrote:
Wikia don't currently use MediaWiki trunk, surprisingly they use 1.10alpha (probably due to the amount of customizations they have making it difficult to upgrade), so any changes to the MediaWiki core wouldn't help them. I suppose that if Wikia stayed at the bleeding edge like Wikimedia they would have an easier time upgrading, although they don't have direct control over MediaWiki in the way Wikimedia have so this would be harder to accomplish.
They don't have total control, in the sense that they can be overruled whereas Wikimedia cannot, but if their devs are willing to put in the extra effort to write their changes properly (instead of as quick hacks), they can commit just like anyone else. Those who don't currently have commit access could request it. Then there'd be no reason they couldn't keep just as up-to-date as Wikimedia. If my MediaWiki install were important enough to my site that I were hacking it, I'd certainly do so by committing the changes and then svn upping.
It's Wikia's choice, of course, but it seems a little silly. Same goes for Citizendium, which apparently also maintains extensive hacks. (Actually, I noticed CZ extends the max edit summary length, which seems like a nifty change to me. I've been thinking of writing it up as a config option, committing it, and upping the length on my wiki.)
On 2/29/08, David Pean david.pean@gmail.com wrote:
I just wanted to let everyone know that we've bundled up some of our social features for Open Source, including basic profile information, friending, and "wall" messaging". It's been tested and runnning on sites using MW 1.10. More information can be found on the extension page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile.
Interesting - I wonder whether it could be made suitable for Wikipedia. Obviously WP generally discourages excessive "myspacing" but some of the features look genuinely useful for collaboration.
Good: Recent activity Friends Statistics (maybe) Board (maybe - confusing having both a discussion page and a board)
Bad: Foes (not sure what this really does) Excessive user information (favourite movie or whatever)
Hmm, maybe there isn't really enough there for us - was hoping for collaborative tools like seeing recent changes of all your "friends", sending messages to groups of people (and having grouped replies) etc.
Steve
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Simetrical Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com wrote:
Don't a few Wikia people have commit access precisely so they can add hooks to avoid file edits? The change looks like it could be done pretty easily by adding a new hook.
We realise it's not perfect but we have to balance throwing it out there with waiting until we have time to add hooks, package it up nicely, documenting it, etc, which isn't necesarily worth waiting for when people are really keen to get their hands on the code right now.
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
Bad: Foes (not sure what this really does)
Foes is the same as Friends except you list your enemies or rivals there. It makes far more sense in a sporting or gaming environment. For example, if used on a gaming wiki, you would list the people your alliance is at war with as foes. Doing the same on Wikipedia isn't necessarily a good idea.
Angela
On 3/2/08, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Foes is the same as Friends except you list your enemies or rivals there. It makes far more sense in a sporting or gaming environment. For example, if used on a gaming wiki, you would list the people your alliance is at war with as foes. Doing the same on Wikipedia isn't necessarily a good idea.
I suspected as much. There's not much in Wikipedia where "competition" makes sense. Something to ponder about on a rainy day...
Steve
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