Hello. The fonts at Dhivehi Wikipedia and Wiktionary are not webfonts. If possible could the fonts be changed to Faruma which can be downloaded from here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/ttf-... . Originally this issue was raised at http://dv.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Glacious#Fonts by User:Vituzzu. I have tried http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts#Preparing_webfonts but to no result. Can someone help me regarding this matter. Links: dv.wikipedia.orgdv.wiktionary.org MediaWiki - 1.21wmf8 (17a7840)PHP - 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.4+wmf1 (apache2handler)MySQL - 5.1.53-wm-log I have posted this question at the MediaWiki support desk here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Font_at_dv.wikiped... and User:MarkAHershberger directed me to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42812 but no one is responding in there. So he told me to mail to this list. Regards,Ushau
Hoi, I have been looking at the font.. The one thing that is important and I cannot find is an indication of the license. When the font is available under a free license, it will be relatively easy to get it and possibly other fonts as well included as a web font in MediaWiki. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 February 2013 09:56, oәuɐႡɔsʇnәp nɐႡsn y.1806@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello. The fonts at Dhivehi Wikipedia and Wiktionary are not webfonts. If possible could the fonts be changed to Faruma which can be downloaded from here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/ttf-.... Originally this issue was raised at http://dv.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Glacious#Fonts by User:Vituzzu. I have tried http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts#Preparing_webfonts but to no result. Can someone help me regarding this matter. Links: dv.wikipedia.orgdv.wiktionary.org MediaWiki - 1.21wmf8 (17a7840)PHP - 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.4+wmf1 (apache2handler)MySQL - 5.1.53-wm-log I have posted this question at the MediaWiki support desk here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Font_at_dv.wikiped... User:MarkAHershberger directed me to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42812 but no one is responding in there. So he told me to mail to this list. Regards,Ushau _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
These fonts seem to be packaged in a .deb-pack. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/debi...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, I have been looking at the font.. The one thing that is important and I cannot find is an indication of the license. When the font is available under a free license, it will be relatively easy to get it and possibly other fonts as well included as a web font in MediaWiki. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 February 2013 09:56, oәuɐႡɔsʇnәp nɐႡsn y.1806@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello. The fonts at Dhivehi Wikipedia and Wiktionary are not webfonts. If possible could the fonts be changed to Faruma which can be downloaded
from
here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/ttf-.... Originally this issue was raised at
http://dv.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Glacious#Fonts by User:Vituzzu. I have tried http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts#Preparing_webfonts but to no result. Can someone help me regarding this matter. Links: dv.wikipedia.orgdv.wiktionary.org MediaWiki - 1.21wmf8 (17a7840)PHP - 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.4+wmf1 (apache2handler)MySQL - 5.1.53-wm-log I have posted this question at the MediaWiki support desk here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Font_at_dv.wikiped... directed me to
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42812 but no one is responding in there. So he told me to mail to this list. Regards,Ushau _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 02/12/2013 03:56 AM, oәuɐႡɔsʇnәp nɐႡsn wrote:
Hello. The fonts at Dhivehi Wikipedia and Wiktionary are not webfonts. If possible could the fonts be changed to Faruma which can be downloaded from here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/ttf-...
The copyright for that package is GPL (see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/deb...), which we could use.
However, it isn't clear that the font itself is under the GPL. The copyright file says "downloaded from http://moss.org.mv" but moss.org.mv doesn't appear to be registered currently so there is no DNS domain.
IANAL, but I think we need to show proper provenance for the fonts before we can use it and right now, it looks like I'm hitting a dead end.
We don't have to limit ourselves to free license fonts for what we use on our own servers. We only have to limit ourselves to free license fonts for what we distribute with our software. Of course, we should always try to support free license fonts when they are available, but there is no reason for us to artificially limit ourselves to free fonts for our own projects (assuming the licensing fees are reasonable).
Ryan Kaldari
On 2/12/13 8:49 AM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
On 02/12/2013 03:56 AM, oәuɐႡɔsʇnәp nɐႡsn wrote:
Hello. The fonts at Dhivehi Wikipedia and Wiktionary are not webfonts. If possible could the fonts be changed to Faruma which can be downloaded from here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/ttf-...
The copyright for that package is GPL (see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/deb...), which we could use.
However, it isn't clear that the font itself is under the GPL. The copyright file says "downloaded from http://moss.org.mv" but moss.org.mv doesn't appear to be registered currently so there is no DNS domain.
IANAL, but I think we need to show proper provenance for the fonts before we can use it and right now, it looks like I'm hitting a dead end.
Hi,
On 02/12/2013 10:25 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
We don't have to limit ourselves to free license fonts for what we use on our own servers. We only have to limit ourselves to free license fonts for what we distribute with our software. Of course, we should always try to support free license fonts when they are available, but there is no reason for us to artificially limit ourselves to free fonts for our own projects (assuming the licensing fees are reasonable).
So, what about Gill Sans MT used by Wikimedia and its chapters? Do we we have a license also using those on non M$-operating systems?
Nevermind, I didn't read the initial post of this thread (which had been cut out). It sounds like you're looking for a font that can be distributed with Mediawiki as a webfont, in which case it does need to be free license.
Ryan Kaldari
On 2/12/13 8:49 AM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
On 02/12/2013 03:56 AM, oәuɐႡɔsʇnәp nɐႡsn wrote:
Hello. The fonts at Dhivehi Wikipedia and Wiktionary are not webfonts. If possible could the fonts be changed to Faruma which can be downloaded from here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/ttf-...
The copyright for that package is GPL (see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/deb...), which we could use.
However, it isn't clear that the font itself is under the GPL. The copyright file says "downloaded from http://moss.org.mv" but moss.org.mv doesn't appear to be registered currently so there is no DNS domain.
IANAL, but I think we need to show proper provenance for the fonts before we can use it and right now, it looks like I'm hitting a dead end.
Doesn't MOSS stand for Maldives Open Source Society?
I can't find a lot of info on them as they don't seem to be active online at the moment, but I did find this:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-core-marketing/2009-June/000000.htm...
Maybe someone could e-mail the author of that message and ask if they can be of assistance in determining the copyright status of the font?
Based on that e-mail it appears they may be the same group as the Maldives Linux Users Group:
Just some ideas...
2013/2/12, Mark A. Hershberger mah@everybody.org:
On 02/12/2013 03:56 AM, oәuɐႡɔsʇnәp nɐႡsn wrote:
Hello. The fonts at Dhivehi Wikipedia and Wiktionary are not webfonts. If possible could the fonts be changed to Faruma which can be downloaded from here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/ttf-...
The copyright for that package is GPL (see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvishah/ttf-dhivehi-fonts/trunk/view/head:/deb...), which we could use.
However, it isn't clear that the font itself is under the GPL. The copyright file says "downloaded from http://moss.org.mv" but moss.org.mv doesn't appear to be registered currently so there is no DNS domain.
IANAL, but I think we need to show proper provenance for the fonts before we can use it and right now, it looks like I'm hitting a dead end.
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On 02/13/2013 02:08 AM, M. Williamson wrote:
Doesn't MOSS stand for Maldives Open Source Society?
I can't find a lot of info on them as they don't seem to be active online at the moment, but I did find this:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-core-marketing/2009-June/000000.htm...
Thank you for tracking this down. With a little more research, I was able to find https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mlugmv/Auy_ZJpXEVg/discussion which says there is a font (Thaana1U.ttf) available under the GNU FreeFont license.
More research leads to this list of fonts: http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Thaana.html
It looks like FreeSerif from https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont would have appropriate glyphs and proper copyright information.
FreeSerif looks good and we can use it instead of Faruma if the license is okay.
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:29:58 -0500 From: mah@everybody.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary
More research leads to this list of fonts: http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Thaana.html
It looks like FreeSerif from https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont would have appropriate glyphs and proper copyright information.
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2013/2/14 Deutschaneo Ushau y.1806@hotmail.com:
FreeSerif looks good and we can use it instead of Faruma if the license is okay.
Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not optimal for embedding it as such in a page.
Thanks Santhosh
What font do we use then??? I can name many fonts which are good but don't know whether they have proper licensing. Regards,Ushau
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:44:59 +0530 From: santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary
2013/2/14 Deutschaneo Ushau y.1806@hotmail.com:
FreeSerif looks good and we can use it instead of Faruma if the license is okay.
Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not optimal for embedding it as such in a page.
Thanks Santhosh
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On 02/14/2013 06:14 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not optimal for embedding it as such in a page.
Since the licensing allows it, could we create a font that only has the glyphs for dvwiki?
If someone could teach me how to do that, maybe I might be able to do it. Regards,Ushau
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:59:58 -0500 From: mah@everybody.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org; sthottingal@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary
On 02/14/2013 06:14 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not optimal for embedding it as such in a page.
Since the licensing allows it, could we create a font that only has the glyphs for dvwiki?
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On 02/14/2013 07:04 AM, Deutschaneo Ushau wrote:
If someone could teach me how to do that, maybe I might be able to do it.
I've asked on the freefonts list to see if anyone there can help.
If anybody from community can maintain and host such a font, giving proper credits to freefont project and not violating licenses, here is a font with required glyphs http://thottingal.in/tmp/thaana/
Thanks Santhosh
On 02/14/2013 07:41 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
If anybody from community can maintain and host such a font, giving proper credits to freefont project and not violating licenses, here is a font with required glyphs http://thottingal.in/tmp/thaana/
Thanks!
I've grabbed your files. I'll try to get the free font project to host them and if that doesn't work, I'll post them on my website giving proper credit to you and the project.
The glyphs at http://thottingal.in/tmp/thaana/Thaana.ttf are not the actual shape of Thaana letters, it looks like MV Boli font.
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:11:49 +0530 From: santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Font at dv.wikipedia and dv.wiktionary
If anybody from community can maintain and host such a font, giving proper credits to freefont project and not violating licenses, here is a font with required glyphs http://thottingal.in/tmp/thaana/
Thanks Santhosh
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On 02/14/2013 06:59 AM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
On 02/14/2013 06:14 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
Since FreeSerif has glyphs for many languages, it is about 2 MB in size, After doing WOFF or EOT compression for webfonts, size can be reduced to 1 MB, but still not optimal for embedding it as such in a page.
https://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/ranges/Thaana.html embeds a few WOFF fonts that range in size from 230k to 785k.
I realize these are still too big.
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