hi, I'm a developer at Mozilla and I have a patch [1] that would switch Firefox's Wikipedia search box from HTTP to HTTPS.
Who would be an appropriate technical contact at Wikimedia that I can coordinate with? Is this a change Wikimedia would welcome? Or would the increased SSL server load be an undue burden for Wikimedia? Just to be clear, this change would only affect Firefox users who search Wikipedia using Firefox's search box.
A few months ago, Mozilla switched Firefox 14 (currently in Beta) to use Google's HTTPS search [2]. If I check in my Wikipedia patch soon, the change would ride Firefox's Nightly, Aurora, and Beta release channels [3] and be released to the general public in Firefox 16 (October 2012).
[1] Wikipedia HTTPS bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758857 [2] Google HTTPS bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633773 [3] Firefox Release Calendar: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
thanks, Chris
2012/6/19 Chris Peterson cpeterson@mozilla.com:
hi, I'm a developer at Mozilla and I have a patch [1] that would switch Firefox's Wikipedia search box from HTTP to HTTPS.
Well, apparently Mozilla are waiting for a reply from "Wikimedia's web team" on the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758857
Is there any reason not to reply that Wikimedia wants to switch to https?
-- Amir
Chris Peterson wrote:
hi, I'm a developer at Mozilla and I have a patch [1] that would switch Firefox's Wikipedia search box from HTTP to HTTPS.
Hello Chris,
I have forwarded your mail to the Wikimedia operation team. They should be able to give you a clear answer. If you do not hear from anyone, I am volunteering to get bugged until you get an answer :-]
cheers,
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Chris Peterson cpeterson@mozilla.com wrote:
hi, I'm a developer at Mozilla and I have a patch [1] that would switch Firefox's Wikipedia search box from HTTP to HTTPS.
Who would be an appropriate technical contact at Wikimedia that I can coordinate with? Is this a change Wikimedia would welcome? Or would the increased SSL server load be an undue burden for Wikimedia? Just to be clear, this change would only affect Firefox users who search Wikipedia using Firefox's search box.
A few months ago, Mozilla switched Firefox 14 (currently in Beta) to use Google's HTTPS search [2]. If I check in my Wikipedia patch soon, the change would ride Firefox's Nightly, Aurora, and Beta release channels [3] and be released to the general public in Firefox 16 (October 2012).
Please don't do so. HTTPS is a new service, and we haven't properly load tested it yet. The first target for production load testing is for logged-in users.
I'm not opposed to the change completely, but I'd prefer to let you guys know when we're ready.
Thanks,
- Ryan
Thanks, Ryan. When you guys would like Mozilla to make this switch to HTTPS, you can just reopen Firefox bug 758857.
chris
On 6/19/12 10:35 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Chris Peterson cpeterson@mozilla.com wrote:
hi, I'm a developer at Mozilla and I have a patch [1] that would switch Firefox's Wikipedia search box from HTTP to HTTPS.
Who would be an appropriate technical contact at Wikimedia that I can coordinate with? Is this a change Wikimedia would welcome? Or would the increased SSL server load be an undue burden for Wikimedia? Just to be clear, this change would only affect Firefox users who search Wikipedia using Firefox's search box.
A few months ago, Mozilla switched Firefox 14 (currently in Beta) to use Google's HTTPS search [2]. If I check in my Wikipedia patch soon, the change would ride Firefox's Nightly, Aurora, and Beta release channels [3] and be released to the general public in Firefox 16 (October 2012).
Please don't do so. HTTPS is a new service, and we haven't properly load tested it yet. The first target for production load testing is for logged-in users.
I'm not opposed to the change completely, but I'd prefer to let you guys know when we're ready.
Thanks,
- Ryan
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Hey Chris
Could you give us a ballpark estimate of how much search queries you expect per day?
Best Diederik
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On 2012-06-19, at 13:51, Chris Peterson cpeterson@mozilla.com wrote:
Thanks, Ryan. When you guys would like Mozilla to make this switch to HTTPS, you can just reopen Firefox bug 758857.
chris
On 6/19/12 10:35 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Chris Peterson cpeterson@mozilla.com wrote:
hi, I'm a developer at Mozilla and I have a patch [1] that would switch Firefox's Wikipedia search box from HTTP to HTTPS.
Who would be an appropriate technical contact at Wikimedia that I can coordinate with? Is this a change Wikimedia would welcome? Or would the increased SSL server load be an undue burden for Wikimedia? Just to be clear, this change would only affect Firefox users who search Wikipedia using Firefox's search box.
A few months ago, Mozilla switched Firefox 14 (currently in Beta) to use Google's HTTPS search [2]. If I check in my Wikipedia patch soon, the change would ride Firefox's Nightly, Aurora, and Beta release channels [3] and be released to the general public in Firefox 16 (October 2012).
Please don't do so. HTTPS is a new service, and we haven't properly load tested it yet. The first target for production load testing is for logged-in users.
I'm not opposed to the change completely, but I'd prefer to let you guys know when we're ready.
Thanks,
- Ryan
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On 6/19/12 11:21 AM, Diederik van Liere wrote:
Could you give us a ballpark estimate of how much search queries you expect per day?
My back-of-the-envelope estimate would be fewer than 10M requests per day. These would not be additional search queries, just requests moving from HTTP to HTTPS servers.
My math:
I don't have have good numbers regarding Firefox's search box queries, but I saw a Firefox usability report which estimates that only about 8% of Firefox users haved used a non-default search engine (i.e. not Google, but not necessarily Wikipedia) from Firefox's search box.
Page [1] says Wikipedia received about 18.0 billion page requests in May. Page [2] says about 22% of Wikipedia requests are from Firefox users.
So a very generous upper limit might be:
18B requests/May * 22% Wikipedia users * 8% non-Google Firefox searches = (18,000M / 31 days) * .22 * .08 = ~10 million Firefox search queries per day
[1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/06/14/wikimedia-highlights-may-2012/#more-15... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Wikimedia_.28April...
chris
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