I was also at the Wikimania session where we worked on this draft. I strongly support this effort. Best practices for codes of conduct include clearly defined consequences for breaches, as well as named behaviors that are unacceptable (as not everyone shares the same "common sense", and people interested in behaving badly tend to rules-lawyer as well). Our Phabricator etiquette is lacking both of these, and it does not cover the rest of our technical spaces. An effective code of conduct has been shown to be effective at bringing people from underrepresented groups--and their contributions!--to events and projects. Screening technical contributors by their willingness to take a risk of poor treatment is a terrible idea if we want to get as many good contributions as we can.
-Frances
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for drafting this up, Matt. Who's "we" here?
On 6 August 2015 at 20:19, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 08/06/2015 08:17 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and Etherpad).
I forgot to mention (but this is in the draft), it also applies to
physical
spaces, including but not limited to hackathons.
Matt Flaschen
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On "why is this necessary":
Earlier this year, Nick Coghlan wrote an excellent blog post on why he considers fighting abuse in open source communities (Linux, in particular) key to getting the best contributions and making his projects the strongest they can be. A quote:
"Instead, what I do care about, passionately, is *helping the best ideas win* (where I include "feasible" as part of my definition of "best"). Not the "best ideas from people willing to tolerate extensive personal abuse". The best ideas anyone is willing to share with me, period. And I won't hear those ideas unless I help create environments where all participants are willing to speak up, not just those that are prepared to accept a blistering verbal barrage from a powerful authority figure as a possible consequence of attempting to participate."
The whole post is worth a read: http://www.curiousefficiency.org/posts/2015/01/abuse-is-not-ok.html
Wikitech is not LKML, but a new contributor isn't going to know that (and still, they can look through the archives and find personal attacks!). A CoC is one way that we communicate that that's not how we act, and that's not how we tolerate other people acting.
-Frances
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Frances Hocutt fhocutt@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was also at the Wikimania session where we worked on this draft. I strongly support this effort. Best practices for codes of conduct include clearly defined consequences for breaches, as well as named behaviors that are unacceptable (as not everyone shares the same "common sense", and people interested in behaving badly tend to rules-lawyer as well). Our Phabricator etiquette is lacking both of these, and it does not cover the rest of our technical spaces. An effective code of conduct has been shown to be effective at bringing people from underrepresented groups--and their contributions!--to events and projects. Screening technical contributors by their willingness to take a risk of poor treatment is a terrible idea if we want to get as many good contributions as we can.
-Frances
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for drafting this up, Matt. Who's "we" here?
On 6 August 2015 at 20:19, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 08/06/2015 08:17 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and Etherpad).
I forgot to mention (but this is in the draft), it also applies to
physical
spaces, including but not limited to hackathons.
Matt Flaschen
Engineering mailing list Engineering@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/engineering
-- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation
Engineering mailing list Engineering@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/engineering
I'm not big on rules but I am big on culture. The Internet causes an unusual phenomenon in people to miscommunicate and in turn say things they don't really mean because they feel attacked. I genuinely hope efforts like this, though only a single page of decency in print form, will be taken to heart by every individual and help make a community we're all proud and happy to be a part of.
--stephen
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Frances Hocutt fhocutt@wikimedia.org wrote:
On "why is this necessary":
Earlier this year, Nick Coghlan wrote an excellent blog post on why he considers fighting abuse in open source communities (Linux, in particular) key to getting the best contributions and making his projects the strongest they can be. A quote:
"Instead, what I do care about, passionately, is *helping the best ideas win* (where I include "feasible" as part of my definition of "best"). Not the "best ideas from people willing to tolerate extensive personal abuse". The best ideas anyone is willing to share with me, period. And I won't hear those ideas unless I help create environments where all participants are willing to speak up, not just those that are prepared to accept a blistering verbal barrage from a powerful authority figure as a possible consequence of attempting to participate."
The whole post is worth a read: http://www.curiousefficiency.org/posts/2015/01/abuse-is-not-ok.html
Wikitech is not LKML, but a new contributor isn't going to know that (and still, they can look through the archives and find personal attacks!). A CoC is one way that we communicate that that's not how we act, and that's not how we tolerate other people acting.
-Frances
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Frances Hocutt fhocutt@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was also at the Wikimania session where we worked on this draft. I strongly support this effort. Best practices for codes of conduct include clearly defined consequences for breaches, as well as named behaviors
that
are unacceptable (as not everyone shares the same "common sense", and people interested in behaving badly tend to rules-lawyer as well). Our Phabricator etiquette is lacking both of these, and it does not cover the rest of our technical spaces. An effective code of conduct has been shown to be effective at bringing people from underrepresented groups--and
their
contributions!--to events and projects. Screening technical contributors
by
their willingness to take a risk of poor treatment is a terrible idea if
we
want to get as many good contributions as we can.
-Frances
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Thank you for drafting this up, Matt. Who's "we" here?
On 6 August 2015 at 20:19, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 08/06/2015 08:17 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and Etherpad).
I forgot to mention (but this is in the draft), it also applies to
physical
spaces, including but not limited to hackathons.
Matt Flaschen
Engineering mailing list Engineering@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/engineering
-- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation
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On 08/07/2015 03:49 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote:
Wikitech is not LKML, but a new contributor isn't going to know that (and still, they can look through the archives and find personal attacks!). A CoC is one way that we communicate that that's not how we act, and that's not how we tolerate other people acting.
This is a good point (that in addition to dealing with specific problems, it's also about making it clear how we do things in general).
Matt Flaschen
wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org