Friends,
As part of an investigation into category aliasing (think “theater directors” vs. “theater directors"), we’ve identified two potential technical implementations and I’m hoping to get feedback to help us choose between the proposals, or change course entirely.
For a summary of the problem and solutions, please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Gendered_Categories and join the talk page if you wish.
Some questions on my mind are: * Will the proposed hard-redirect category behavior break any MediaWiki or third-party software assumptions about hard redirects or categories? * Is “non-page” category aliasing really the mountain of tech debt I imagine it to be? * Have there been other attempts to solve this problem?
Kind regards, Adam from the Technical Wishes Team at Wikimedia Germany
Re other attempts - have you seen https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/core/+/65176/ ?
Beyond that some people have talked about using wikidata stuff instead of categories, but im not sure how seriously.
-- Brian
On Monday, August 5, 2019, Adam Wight adam.wight@wikimedia.de wrote:
Friends,
As part of an investigation into category aliasing (think “theater directors” vs. “theater directors"), we’ve identified two potential technical implementations and I’m hoping to get feedback to help us choose between the proposals, or change course entirely.
For a summary of the problem and solutions, please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Gendered_Categories and join the talk page if you wish.
Some questions on my mind are:
- Will the proposed hard-redirect category behavior break any MediaWiki or
third-party software assumptions about hard redirects or categories?
- Is “non-page” category aliasing really the mountain of tech debt I
imagine it to be?
- Have there been other attempts to solve this problem?
Kind regards, Adam from the Technical Wishes Team at Wikimedia Germany _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 8:32 AM Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
Re other attempts - have you seen https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/core/+/65176/ ?
Thanks! I had read the bug https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5311 but somehow missed that 2013 patch—the code review comments are really helpful.
One detail I should emphasize about my new proposal to use hard redirected categories as aliases is that it's a terrible workaround at heart. It would be nicer if there were a formal way to alias categories, for example a directive "#ALIAS_TO[[<category-name>]]" that could be used in category pages. What I'm proposing is that we introduce new behaviors for hard redirects, and then agree that it's correct for articles to be categorized permanently under these aliases, so that the alternative labels are applied. In previous discussion of hard redirects, an article categorized under the redirect would still be "incorrect" and in a temporary state, to be eventually recategorized under the alias's main category by bots like RussBot.
-Adam
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