Hi
I read some complaints and questions on interwiki-links. Will there be the ability for admins to edit the list of interwiki-prefixes in MediaWiki 1.5 so developers do not have to deal with them anymore? Like Blogrolls of Weblogs we could also have WikiRolls. Special:Wikiroll could print a list of other wikis and their namespace-prefixes.
Just a thought,
Jakob
See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix].
On Apr 7, 2005 7:53 AM, Jakob jakob.voss@s1999.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
Special:Wikiroll could print a list of other wikis and their namespace-prefixes.
On Apr 7, 2005 2:53 PM, Jakob jakob.voss@s1999.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
I read some complaints and questions on interwiki-links. Will there be the ability for admins to edit the list of interwiki-prefixes in MediaWiki 1.5 so developers do not have to deal with them anymore?
I haven't heard anything about such a thing, but I've been thinking for a while that it would be a good idea; you never know, I might even get round to doing it myself. Out of deference to wiki tradition, though, it would probably end up being called Special:InterMap if I had anything to do with it. :)
On Apr 7, 2005 8:43 PM, David Benbennick dbenbenn@gmail.com wrote:
That's only for *internal* interwikis (between projects) rather than the wider set of prefixes, which is more like what you could call a "WikiRoll". That's currently managed for Wikimedia projects at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map
I read some complaints and questions on interwiki-links. Will there be the ability for admins to edit the list of interwiki-prefixes in MediaWiki 1.5 so developers do not have to deal with them anymore? Like Blogrolls of Weblogs we could also have WikiRolls. Special:Wikiroll could print a list of other wikis and their namespace-prefixes.
No, there will not be a way to do that like that.
On Apr 8, 2005 9:07 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
I read some complaints and questions on interwiki-links. Will there be the ability for admins to edit the list of interwiki-prefixes in MediaWiki 1.5 so developers do not have to deal with them anymore?
No, there will not be a way to do that like that.
I don't mean to sound rude, but how do you know? If you think we *shouldn't* have such a feature, then I'm happy to hear your reasoning - and indeed I'd tend to agree w.r.t. the Wikimedia projects, simply because there are so many of them to manage at once. But Wikimedia is only one user of the software, and I think for some people web-based administration is far more convenient than command-line scripts or direct database hacking.
Given that MediaWiki is an open-source project, I don't see how you can state that there "will not be" - if someone writes the feature, it will exist. Even if it's not included in the distribution, they can host it themselves as an additional download. Unless you just meant that it won't be in 1.5, and I've missed some decision about the kind of new features still being accepted for that release?
On Apr 7, 2005 2:53 PM, Jakob jakob.voss@s1999.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
I read some complaints and questions on interwiki-links. Will there be the ability for admins to edit the list of interwiki-prefixes in MediaWiki 1.5 so developers do not have to deal with them anymore? Like Blogrolls of Weblogs we could also have WikiRolls. Special:Wikiroll could print a list of other wikis and their namespace-prefixes.
Perhaps I don't understand what you mean. Is http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map not sufficient?
The only thing that has which is nonstandard is the script that copies it into the interwiki table, a script someone is sure to send you if you ask for it.
On Apr 8, 2005 9:32 PM, John Fader jfader@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps I don't understand what you mean. Is http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map not sufficient?
The only thing that has which is nonstandard is the script that copies it into the interwiki table, a script someone is sure to send you if you ask for it.
The script to copy that page (or a local page like it) is, I believe, command-line based, and therefore still needs developer (i.e. someone with access to the server) attention, unless it is set as a cron job (i.e. run automatically at regular intervals). Jakob was asking for a way of letting *sysops* do that - i.e. a web-based interface for users with the appropriate rights.
While importing wikitext from the command-line may remain useful for the large set of Wikimedia wikis (for ease of synchronisation), other MediaWiki-based sites might find it more appropriate to entrust the management to a particular subset of their users (remember that 1.5 will include a more flexible user-rights system than just 'user' vs 'sysop').
On Apr 8, 2005 9:46 PM, Rowan Collins rowan.collins@gmail.com wrote:
The script to copy that page (or a local page like it) is, I believe, command-line based,
It's maintainance/rebuildInterwiki.php
and therefore still needs developer (i.e. someone with access to the server) attention, unless it is set as a cron job (i.e. run automatically at regular intervals). Jakob was asking for a way of letting *sysops* do that - i.e. a web-based interface for users with the appropriate rights.
So he can run the script on a cron job, as you suggest (which is clearly what wikimedia does) and protect the interwiki page (so only his sysops can make changes).
That would only be a problem if some hosting service allowed you php, mysql and to install mediawiki, but wouldn't let you make ordinary user cronjobs.
On Apr 8, 2005 9:59 PM, John Fader jfader@gmail.com wrote:
That would only be a problem if some hosting service allowed you php, mysql and to install mediawiki, but wouldn't let you make ordinary user cronjobs.
That doesn't sound at all unlikely, to be honest. Remember that MediaWiki has a web-based install, so you can install with nothing more than FTP access, as long as there are writable directories and a MySQL server you can point it at [in fact, I think most things will run without a writable directory, to be honest]. And judging from postings on mediawiki-l, plenty do.
Besides which, creating a cron job is hardly in the same league, user-friendly-wise, as, say, enabling a particular setting to allow editting in Special:InterMap. There are plenty of people who install MediaWiki who have no "developer"-style expertise, so from their point of view the more tasks that can be achieved in an "admin"-style the better.
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