On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Matthew Flaschen <mflaschen(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: Yeah, there is EdwardsBot which will blast all the Village Pumps for us, and I've written/delivered messages myself on a smaller scale. It's just that the only time I've done this in the past was for new features entirely, usually an extension. Using the global message delivery system for a single MediaWiki message change feels like a bit like overkill, which is why asked about precedent. :) Steven

Hoi, How many Wikipedias exist .... 280+ ... The English Wikipedia may be the biggest and baddest but you cannot infer from this that its message is the same message in use everywhere. When you want to change a default message, the message is localised for general consumption on translatewiki.net. When local policy means that the message needs a further adaptation it is done on the local Wiki. If anything, the English Wikipedia and its community is not involved in the business of localisation for general use and consequenly they are unlikely to be the best source for any message that is to be of global use. Thanks, GerardM On 4 December 2012 04:09, Matthew Flaschen <mflaschen(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Bug 42215[1] discussed this particular change, and I sought the advice of the mediawiki-i18n list about it (the consensus was a new message rather than fiddling with the semantics of the old one). But I don't think mediawiki-i18n list is involved in per-wiki message changes, I assume it's something an admin does. If a wiki hasn't overridden the welcomecreation message then there's nothing to do except check to see if the default messages have been translated into its language (55 & 64 translations so far).[3] Steven Walling &lt;swalling(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: I wrote a little script last night to check for the existence of the old and new messages, and it seems there are 205 wikis that did override welcomecreation (!!?), so ideally someone should find the [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki messages]] or [[Village pump (technical)]] page for those 205 wikis, or otherwise contact their admins. The list of wiki messages is at <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:S_Page_%28WMF%29/welcomecreation_messages> Matthew Flaschen &lt;mflaschen(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: My instructions are in the parent of the list of wikis, <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:S_Page_%28WMF%29> I'm curious if any of those 205 wikis are doing inventive "Welcome aboard, now read a tutorial/say hi/fix a page/play in the sandbox" things. It's an area our team (Editor Engagement Experiments) cares about. Thanks for your insights. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42215 [2] https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&message=Me… [3] Translatewiki suggests * the new "Welcome, $1!" title message welcomeuser has been translated into 64 languages[4] * the new "Your account has been created. \ Do not forget to change your <preferences>" has been translated into 55 languages[5]. [4] https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslations&message=… [5] https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslations&message=… -- =S Page software engineer on E3

On 12/04/2012 03:59 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Those instructions are not specifically about MediaWiki messages, nor does it say not to use village pumps. I think in general, more people will be monitoring the appropriate village pump than the exact interface talk page. Once people see it on the pump, they can move to the talk page. Matt Flaschen

Since people keep asking me for editing rights on wikitech, I've decided to run for bureaucratship (so that I can actually grant editing rights). Please join the heated discussion at: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Request_for_adminship#Requests_for_burea… Ryan Kaldari

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Erik Moeller &lt;erik(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: We did not let the Wikitech community speak ;-) Per the page: "Requests should be listed here for at least seven days; bureaucrats should only close after this minimum time. Requests may be extended, or put on hold by bureaucrats, pending decision or finding of consensus." I have very tough questions that need answering before I can support this candidate. -Chad

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Ryan Kaldari &lt;rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: err, nothing against you being a crat but a better solution would be to allow all sysops to grant editing rights. -Jeremy