A couple months ago the software got tweaked to display history info (but not contained text) of deleted revisions to any and all random visitors. In the last few weeks we've gotten a rash of complaints about edits being made with private, embarrassing, vandalistic, libelous, etc stuff in the edit summaries etc, and of course deleting the revisions from the wiki still shows them to everybody.
For the moment I'm shutting off this ability (restoring the pre-August behavior) until we get more fine-grained revision deletion / scrubbing in place. I've added a permission key to control it, 'deletedhistory', so if there's a need to turn it back on this can just be added to the '*' pseudogroup in the config to restore the previous behavior.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On 12/25/05, Brion Vibber brion.vibber@gmail.com wrote:
A couple months ago the software got tweaked to display history info (but not contained text) of deleted revisions to any and all random visitors. In the last few weeks we've gotten a rash of complaints about edits being made with private, embarrassing, vandalistic, libelous, etc stuff in the edit summaries etc, and of course deleting the revisions from the wiki still shows them to everybody.
For the moment I'm shutting off this ability (restoring the pre-August behavior) until we get more fine-grained revision deletion / scrubbing in place. I've added a permission key to control it, 'deletedhistory', so if there's a need to turn it back on this can just be added to the '*' pseudogroup in the config to restore the previous behavior.
If the only issue was the contents of the comments can't we just show the history without them? I even added software support for that a while ago (for rev_deleted), you just call Linker::commentBlock with a third paramater bool true.
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@...> writes:
On 12/25/05, Brion Vibber <brion.vibber <at> gmail.com> wrote:
A couple months ago the software got tweaked to display history info (but not contained text) of deleted revisions to any and all random visitors. In the last few weeks we've gotten a rash of complaints about edits being made with private, embarrassing, vandalistic, libelous, etc stuff in the edit summaries etc, and of course deleting the revisions from the wiki still shows them to everybody.
For the moment I'm shutting off this ability (restoring the pre-August behavior) until we get more fine-grained revision deletion / scrubbing in place. I've added a permission key to control it, 'deletedhistory', so if there's a need to turn it back on this can just be added to the '*' pseudogroup in the config to restore the previous behavior.
If the only issue was the contents of the comments can't we just show the history without them? I even added software support for that a while ago (for rev_deleted), you just call Linker::commentBlock with a third paramater bool true.
This does seem like a very useful compromise solution - what would be really great would be to arrange things so deleted edits didn't vanish from contribution lists; the deleted contributions browser (http://tools.wikimedia.de/~kate/cgi-bin/archive_contribs ) was very useful; it's a shame to have to disable it if we can just turn off public display of deleted edit summaries.
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On 12/25/05, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
If the only issue was the contents of the comments can't we just show the history without them? I even added software support for that a while ago (for rev_deleted), you just call Linker::commentBlock with a third paramater bool true.
Particular usernames/IPs are also sometimes cited as an issue.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On 12/26/05, Brion Vibber brion.vibber@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/25/05, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
If the only issue was the contents of the comments can't we just show the history without them? I even added software support for that a while ago (for rev_deleted), you just call Linker::commentBlock with a third paramater bool true.
Particular usernames/IPs are also sometimes cited as an issue.
...and if you're going to filter those two there's not a whole lot of other information you can get from it;) Except the # of revisions and their timestamps.
Brion Vibber wrote:
A couple months ago the software got tweaked to display history info (but not contained text) of deleted revisions to any and all random visitors. In the last few weeks we've gotten a rash of complaints about edits being made with private, embarrassing, vandalistic, libelous, etc stuff in the edit summaries etc, and of course deleting the revisions from the wiki still shows them to everybody.
For the moment I'm shutting off this ability (restoring the pre-August behavior) until we get more fine-grained revision deletion / scrubbing in place. I've added a permission key to control it, 'deletedhistory', so if there's a need to turn it back on this can just be added to the '*' pseudogroup in the config to restore the previous behavior.
For me what is perhaps a tangential issue relates to articles that are transwikied to Wiktionary from Wikipedia. These are sometimes accompanied by long edit histories copied onto the talk page which are nothing more than user names and date/time marks, but no indication about whether these edits had anything to do with what we use on Wiktionary. It follows from the principle that Wiktionary is not an encyclopedia that Wiktionary accepts many articles that would be rejected as stubs by Wikipedia. Is there any way to know just what each of those edits were?
Personally, if I adapt a transwikied article I will completely rewrite it using independant source information, assuming that the information was sourced at all, but some others are content to just use the move function to adopt articles. I regard transwikied articles as being in a sort of limbo, where one cannot accept that Wikipedia is a proper soource for these, especially if the Wikipedia decision was to delete the article.
Ec
On 12/26/05, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
For me what is perhaps a tangential issue relates to articles that are transwikied to Wiktionary from Wikipedia. These are sometimes accompanied by long edit histories copied onto the talk page which are nothing more than user names and date/time marks, but no indication about whether these edits had anything to do with what we use on Wiktionary. It follows from the principle that Wiktionary is not an encyclopedia that Wiktionary accepts many articles that would be rejected as stubs by Wikipedia. Is there any way to know just what each of those edits were?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Import
I know developer time is precious, but it would be helpful if Import could be turned back on, if only for Transwiki purposes.
-- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com
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