[Cross-post to wikien-l, wikitech-l and mediawiki-l; apologies for duplication]
On 03/05/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, The "Upload file" link in the left pane of monobook still takes you to the page for uploading an image to the English wikipedia. In most cases, it would be more helpful to be uploading the image to Commons (US fair use being the notable exception).
Since I notice that certain other wikipedias at least make a commons upload link equally prominent, is it time we considered removing the upload-to-EN link entirely, or hiding it somewhere for those that really do want to upload fair use images? And instead, provide a link to upload to commons?
Allow me to recall a #mediawiki anecdote from about a week ago. A user new to the software wanted to set up about three wikis using a fourth as a mini version of our Commons (their own implementation); the "usage" side had been established, but the user queried whether or not uploads from all wikis could be diverted to the new.
Given that the "slave" wikis would all have access to the "master" database (excuse the confusing mix of terminologies for those who are placing this into 'SQL context), I considered it wouldn't be too difficult.
Now for the relevant bit. It's been discussed before, a little, and I touched upon it in a recent discussion sparked off from the newbie's questions...but it could be feasible for us to replace our Special:Upload pages with something a bit more intelligent. Making use of the licencing dropdowns, we could, I think, redirect free images to Commons in a seamless fashion (after checking existence and providing a courteous note to the user, of course).
This has advantages and disadvantages. The user's upload experience is simple, and the image can be used as before without trouble. On the other hand, deliberate or accidental mis-selection of the licence [cw]ould result in an influx of non-free materials arriving on the Commons.
Nevertheless, I think the idea has potential, and it's something I might be interested in helping to hack together in the future. I'll throw it out here and see what people think. And since I'm at it, I'll cross-post to mediawiki-l and wikitech-l, too.
Rob Church
Rob Church wrote:
[snip] Now for the relevant bit. It's been discussed before, a little, and I touched upon it in a recent discussion sparked off from the newbie's questions...but it could be feasible for us to replace our Special:Upload pages with something a bit more intelligent. Making use of the licencing dropdowns, we could, I think, redirect free images to Commons in a seamless fashion (after checking existence and providing a courteous note to the user, of course).
That's a brilliant idea. I'd really like to see it implemented. Not only for English Wikipedia, but for all Wikimedia projects.
This has advantages and disadvantages. The user's upload experience is simple, and the image can be used as before without trouble. On the other hand, deliberate or accidental mis-selection of the licence [cw]ould result in an influx of non-free materials arriving on the Commons.
Even though I'm not a Commons expert, I can deduce that Commons too has a problem with wrong licenses, hence some of the deletion.
[snip]
Filip
P.S. Sorry for doubleposts... I used Reply to all
"Filip Maljkovic" wrote:
Rob Church wrote:
[snip] Now for the relevant bit. It's been discussed before, a little, and I touched upon it in a recent discussion sparked off from the newbie's questions...but it could be feasible for us to replace our Special:Upload pages with something a bit more intelligent. Making use of the licencing dropdowns, we could, I think, redirect free images to Commons in a seamless fashion (after checking existence and providing a courteous note to the user, of course).
If we already had the unique login system, it would only be a fact of <form action changing at the user level.
On 06/05/06, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
"Filip Maljkovic" wrote:
Rob Church wrote:
[snip] Now for the relevant bit. It's been discussed before, a little, and I touched upon it in a recent discussion sparked off from the newbie's questions...but it could be feasible for us to replace our Special:Upload pages with something a bit more intelligent. Making use of the licencing dropdowns, we could, I think, redirect free images to Commons in a seamless fashion (after checking existence and providing a courteous note to the user, of course).
If we already had the unique login system, it would only be a fact of <form action changing at the user level.
No. The idea is to handle the upload from the home wiki, so to speak; the user shouldn't ever need to be directed somewhere on Commons. And this particular aspect has nothing to do with single sign-on (although it's needed before we can go ahead with it, since images must be associated with an uploader).
Rob Church
If we already had the unique login system, it would only be a fact of
<form action changing at the user level.
No. The idea is to handle the upload from the home wiki, so to speak; the user shouldn't ever need to be directed somewhere on Commons. And this particular aspect has nothing to do with single sign-on (although it's needed before we can go ahead with it, since images must be associated with an uploader).
I understood the idea. But instead of doing it at the base, we could do it on the top. It could then me more or less transparent but wouldn't matter too much. And both methods need the single sign-on (or at least some kind of identifying as user@project), so i wouldn't say it has nothing to do with single sign-on, as it's a blocker.
Rob Church wrote:
No. The idea is to handle the upload from the home wiki, so to speak; the user shouldn't ever need to be directed somewhere on Commons.
Consider that we have four wikis hosted on a separate cluster and may expand this as time goes on. They'd need some way to copy the file back up to the central cluster etc. Doable, but it's not just a matter of slipping a few entries into a second database.
Personally, I'd prefer bouncing them to Commons, and having it bounce them back when they're done.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Rob Church wrote:
No. The idea is to handle the upload from the home wiki, so to speak; the user shouldn't ever need to be directed somewhere on Commons.
Consider that we have four wikis hosted on a separate cluster and may expand this as time goes on. They'd need some way to copy the file back up to the central cluster etc. Doable, but it's not just a matter of slipping a few entries into a second database.
Personally, I'd prefer bouncing them to Commons, and having it bounce them back when they're done.
<aol>Sounds good to me.</aol> I'd suggest that, from a user interface viewpoint, the best solution would be a simple "Upload to Commons" checkbox. For additional frills, add JavaScript to toggle the contents of the license selector depending on whether the box is checked or not.
<aol>Sounds good to me.</aol> I'd suggest that, from a user interface viewpoint, the best solution would be a simple "Upload to Commons" checkbox. For additional frills, add JavaScript to toggle the contents of the license selector depending on whether the box is checked or not.
Or (and?) disable the box in case of non-free licence selected.
Plyd
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