Hi all,
with this Email I want to start the discussion on how to operationalize the deployment of Wikidata. This Email gives a general outline, and a link to the page on Meta where I will collect the results of this discussion. Discussion, feedback and comments are welcome.
The goal for Wikidata is to release early, release often, and to eventually follow WMF's lead with their bi-weekly deployment cycle. The very first version of Wikidata to deploy is almost there. We still have a number of bugs and wrinkles we are polishing, but in general we are ready to start moving towards deployment. This will lead to a very organic introduction of Wikidata data into the Wikipedias. We can react to problems and use cases early. I think a plan where we implement the three phases completely and deploy them then is bound to lead to a less widely accepted solution.
The suggestion is to deploy the following steps. This all still only covers phase I. * Step 1: start the Wikidata repository wiki. This only allows to add language links, and they are not displayed anywhere yet. * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?) * Step 3: deploy the WIkidata client extension on a second language edition of Wikipedia (Q: How to select it?) * Step 4: deploy the Wikidata client extension on the English edition of Wikipedia * Step 5: deploy on all Wikipedias.
Details are on this page on Meta:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment
I would like to find the appropriate means to define how to implement the above steps whether on this list or off it.
Even though Rob has given me unlimited license to be obnoxious on this list about this, I will try not to. Mind the "try" :)
Cheers, Denny
2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de
- Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about details
Yes, that would be awesome. Let us talk, ping me or Lydia. On Jul 11, 2012 3:22 PM, "Bináris" wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de
- Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about details
-- Bináris _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de
- Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about details
Hi!
Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with this and then go for it if approved.
Cheers Lydia
2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de
Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with this and then go for it if approved.
The proposal has just been announced on village pump. Alea iacta est.
Wikidatans,
Is there a possibility that we could also include German as a third language here for deployment testing?
Not only are many Wikipedians on this list familiar with the German Wikipedia and are German speakers (for a sizable development community) but in beginning to develop World University and School's (like Wikipedia with MIT OCW) second language (WUaS is planning for all 3,000-8,000 languages and an universal translator - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator - building on Google Translate +), I know German, and German open educational resources will be significantly sizable in a way I can read, and eventually aggregate.
Is this already happening, in addition to Hungarian (I'm fairly new on this email list)?
World University and School is also interested in integrating, in this early phase, WUaS's wiki development with Wikipedias in its deployment on Wikidata, if at all possible.
Cheers, Scott
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de
Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with this and then go for it if approved.
The proposal has just been announced on village pump. Alea iacta est.
-- Bináris _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Scott MacLeod helianth@gmail.com wrote:
Wikidatans,
Is there a possibility that we could also include German as a third language here for deployment testing?
Not only are many Wikipedians on this list familiar with the German Wikipedia and are German speakers (for a sizable development community) but in beginning to develop World University and School's (like Wikipedia with MIT OCW) second language (WUaS is planning for all 3,000-8,000 languages and an universal translator - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator - building on Google Translate +), I know German, and German open educational resources will be significantly sizable in a way I can read, and eventually aggregate.
Is this already happening, in addition to Hungarian (I'm fairly new on this email list)?
World University and School is also interested in integrating, in this early phase, WUaS's wiki development with Wikipedias in its deployment on Wikidata, if at all possible.
Pending the requests for comments on huwp we will go with them as a first step. After that other Wikipedias will follow as lined out on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment WhichWikipedias those will be isn't decided yet. If dewp will be next among other things heavily depends on if they want to be next ;-) So far I have not heard anything in that direction.
Cheers Lydia
2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de
Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with this and then go for it if approved.
The poll is here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28m%C5%B1szaki%29#Tes... Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3 initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.) As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3 initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.) As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!
That is really great news. Thank you! I'll keep you posted as soon as we have more news about the next steps and dates.
Cheers Lydia
Wikitechians,
It's exciting that the Hungarian Wikipedia folks will be first to deploy in Wikidata, and the Italian Wikipedia people may be the 2nd!
What's the deployment plan, for languages 10 through 285 (number of Wikipedia languages) through 7,358 (per "The Ethnologue"), particularly in terms of developing community email lists (graduate students?)
Is there a Meta Wiki deployment page for all languages, paralleling this - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment?
What's the current state of email lists / wiki pages for all of Wikipedia's 285 language communities? (Wikipedia is now in 285 languages, as of August 2012 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Wikipedia).
In this deployment process, would a 7,358 language-deep, universal translator, or security questions, in TOR, for example, as part of Wikipedia, influence deployment in any heretofore unforeseen ways?
World University and School is planning for all 3000-8000 languages, each as a wiki page to begin: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Languages. WUaS is like Wikipedia with MIT OCW, with free, online degrees planned.
World University and School also plans to deploy in Wikidata, and in all 3,000-8,000 languages, each a wiki, subject page / school, to begin. WUaS bases this range on "The Ethnologue" - http://www.ethnologue.com/ - which now says they have 6,909 languages, whereas Wikipedia says they have 7,358 languages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue. WUaS also plans to facilitate the development of an universal translator - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator - building on Google Translate and others.
So many languages, and as wikis, is wondrous ... :)
Hungarian and Italian Wikipedia rock!
Cheers, Scott / Aphilo
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3 initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.) As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!
That is really great news. Thank you! I'll keep you posted as soon as we have more news about the next steps and dates.
Cheers Lydia
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