Hi folks,
we're experimenting with Hangout on Air + IRC as a meeting technology that could potentially be used for various WMF gatherings to further open up our communication both with remote staff and the world at large. (For those who don't know, Hangout on Air is a nifty new feature of Google Hangout that lets you broadcast a live YouTube stream of a meeting you're organizing.)
As a pilot, we're starting what could potentially become a weekly engineering chat. The first one will be on October 18: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-10-18
Anyone will be able to join the meeting via IRC to participate and watch the YouTube stream. Sign up if you want, or just join the meeting when it happens.
I'd prefer to avoid bikeshedding at this point about the specific technologies, their proprietary/evil nature, etc. - we're giving this combination a try for the first run, and will iterate. the development of open solutions like Apache OpenMeetings and new standards like WebRTC will hopefully lead us to a fully open stack eventually. But this seems like a workable start.
If this works well for the tech meeting, we'll likely also use it for the next monthly metrics meeting (those have been recorded on video and can be found here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation_Metrics_and... - but participation has only been semi-open due to WebEx limitations.)
Cheers, Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Hi folks,
we're experimenting with Hangout on Air + IRC as a meeting technology that could potentially be used for various WMF gatherings to further open up our communication both with remote staff and the world at large. (For those who don't know, Hangout on Air is a nifty new feature of Google Hangout that lets you broadcast a live YouTube stream of a meeting you're organizing.)
As a pilot, we're starting what could potentially become a weekly engineering chat. The first one will be on October 18: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-10-18
Anyone will be able to join the meeting via IRC to participate and watch the YouTube stream. Sign up if you want, or just join the meeting when it happens.
Hi.
Thanks for working on this. It sounds neat. :-)
I think the current meetings page is desperately missing instructions for joining the meeting. For example, are participants going to need a Gmail account prior to the meeting so that they can use Google Hangout? Does using Google Hangout require any advance preparation such as installing a plugin? Which IRC channel should meeting participants join? (And of course depending on who you're targeting, there are a whole host of other questions like "what is IRC?" and "how can I easily join an IRC discussion [without an IRC client]?", though I'm assuming that since this is a tech meeting, maybe this isn't as necessary.)
I'd offer to help with the documentation/instructions, but unfortunately I don't know most of the answers. Any help you could give would be great.
MZMcBride
On 06/10/12 03:08, MZMcBride wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Anyone will be able to join the meeting via IRC to participate and watch the YouTube stream. Sign up if you want, or just join the meeting when it happens.
Hi.
Thanks for working on this. It sounds neat. :-)
I think the current meetings page is desperately missing instructions for joining the meeting. For example, are participants going to need a Gmail account prior to the meeting so that they can use Google Hangout? Does using Google Hangout require any advance preparation such as installing a plugin? Which IRC channel should meeting participants join? (And of course depending on who you're targeting, there are a whole host of other questions like "what is IRC?" and "how can I easily join an IRC discussion [without an IRC client]?", though I'm assuming that since this is a tech meeting, maybe this isn't as necessary.)
I'd offer to help with the documentation/instructions, but unfortunately I don't know most of the answers. Any help you could give would be great.
MZMcBride
Last time I tried, Google Hangout required not only a Google account but also Google+. You then needed to install a propietary plugin that refused to work / be installed. That's my experience with Google Hangout.
Connecting instead to a YouTube stream (RTSP I guess?) while reading on irc looks promising.
I'm using Google Hangouts on Ubuntu and I can help anyone that's having a problem. It works out of the box on Windows and OS X as far as I know. On Ubuntu, I found it easier to set up with Chrome than with Chromium but it's possible with both and other browsers.
As far as the profile requirement, it does require you to "upgrade" your google account to a google plus account. Most of us have google accounts through our wikimedia.org google mail and the required pieces of information for a google plus "upgrade" are gender and birthday, and those aren't shared. You can see mine is pretty blank:
https://plus.google.com/u/1/108031902869881812253/posts/p/pub?hl=en
If anyone has enough trouble that they think setting up a wiki for this would be useful, I'd be happy to assist.
Dan
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/10/12 03:08, MZMcBride wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Anyone will be able to join the meeting via IRC to participate and watch the YouTube stream. Sign up if you want, or just join the meeting when it happens.
Hi.
Thanks for working on this. It sounds neat. :-)
I think the current meetings page is desperately missing instructions for joining the meeting. For example, are participants going to need a Gmail account prior to the meeting so that they can use Google Hangout? Does
using
Google Hangout require any advance preparation such as installing a
plugin?
Which IRC channel should meeting participants join? (And of course
depending
on who you're targeting, there are a whole host of other questions like "what is IRC?" and "how can I easily join an IRC discussion [without an
IRC
client]?", though I'm assuming that since this is a tech meeting, maybe
this
isn't as necessary.)
I'd offer to help with the documentation/instructions, but unfortunately
I
don't know most of the answers. Any help you could give would be great.
MZMcBride
Last time I tried, Google Hangout required not only a Google account but also Google+. You then needed to install a propietary plugin that refused to work / be installed. That's my experience with Google Hangout.
Connecting instead to a YouTube stream (RTSP I guess?) while reading on irc looks promising.
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote:
As far as the profile requirement, it does require you to "upgrade" your google account to a google plus account. Most of us have google accounts through our wikimedia.org google mail and the required pieces of information for a google plus "upgrade" are gender and birthday, and those aren't shared.
Actually, the vast majority of people on this list are not staff and so can't be assumed to have a Google account.
-Chad
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote:
As far as the profile requirement, it does require you to "upgrade" your google account to a google plus account. Most of us have google accounts through our wikimedia.org google mail and the required pieces of information for a google plus "upgrade" are gender and birthday, and those aren't shared.
Actually, the vast majority of people on this list are not staff and so can't be assumed to have a Google account.
Also, IMHO, the "upgrade" is not so trivial. Some people just don't want G+. period. (of course I have no numbers on how many people feel that way)
I haven't made up my mind about G+ yet but haven't upgraded either. The one and only time I ever did a hangout was a training with Sumana et al. and I created a new, disposable google account just for that one use and never used it for anything else.
-Jeremy
We're about to get started, join #wikimedia-dev-meetings on irc.freenode.net for details.
Thanks all for joining :)
Video recording is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9L4TMRrAzw&feature=player_detailpage#t=...
IRC log is here (a bit odd if you're not watching the video: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-10-18/IRC_log
We discussed:
* git-flow: https://github.com/nvie/gitflow http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
* what development environment folks are using: https://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/ - PhpStorm received some strong shoutouts
* Vagrant and pre-built dev environments - https://github.com/mozilla/kuma/ example
Feedback on the setup welcome - hope to do many more of these :)
Erik
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