I get the feeling sometimes that either mailman or Outlook completely ignores
where I am putting my line breaks and put them wherever it pleases.
The last email I sent I started a line with "> defended" which when I received
the email from the list had instead "> community defended" with some rather
strange looking mid-sentence, nowhere close to 100 char, line breaks.
Do my emails look terrible to anyone else? Has anyone else had this problem
before? Do anyone know the solution?
I know that this sort of thing is usually out of scope on this list, but I felt
it was appropriate here because if my emails look just as bad to all of you,
then it is probably terribly annoying.
Thank you,
Derric Atzrott
Computer Specialist
Alizee Pathology
Do my emails look terrible to anyone else?
Yes! They do.
Do anyone know the solution?
My first instinct is "don't use Outlook", but I'm guessing you have some reason you "need" to. In that case, I'm sure there's some manual on Outlook, or some other user group, that has the solution....
Maybe you have HTML emails turned on by default, and mailman is trashing your line breaks because they're HTML <br> tags or something crazy like that. Try turning off HTML composition, and see if that's helpful.
Cheers,
Do my emails look terrible to anyone else?
Yes! They do.
Do anyone know the solution?
My first instinct is "don't use Outlook", but I'm guessing you have some reason you "need" to. In that case, I'm sure there's some manual on
Outlook,
or some other user group, that has the solution....
Maybe you have HTML emails turned on by default, and mailman is trashing
your
line breaks because they're HTML <br> tags or something crazy like that.
Try
turning off HTML composition, and see if that's helpful.
It is what I use when I am at work. I honestly have no real reason for using it other than that it is what the rest of the company uses so I have to make sure that I know it well being their IT guy.
Oddly enough, I actually have HTML turned off. These should be just plain text messages. I'll Google around and do some searching for a solution, I just needed to make sure it wasn't Outlook trashing the emails on my end when they came in and that they indeed look terrible for all of you as well.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
On 17/08/12 20:12, Derric Atzrott wrote:
Do my emails look terrible to anyone else?
Yes! They do.
Do anyone know the solution?
My first instinct is "don't use Outlook", but I'm guessing you have some reason you "need" to. In that case, I'm sure there's some manual on
Outlook,
or some other user group, that has the solution....
Maybe you have HTML emails turned on by default, and mailman is trashing
your
line breaks because they're HTML <br> tags or something crazy like that.
Try
turning off HTML composition, and see if that's helpful.
It is what I use when I am at work. I honestly have no real reason for using it other than that it is what the rest of the company uses so I have to make sure that I know it well being their IT guy.
Oddly enough, I actually have HTML turned off. These should be just plain text messages. I'll Google around and do some searching for a solution, I just needed to make sure it wasn't Outlook trashing the emails on my end when they came in and that they indeed look terrible for all of you as well.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
You seem to be writing the messages for cutting at 80 characters per line, but be actually sent cutting at 74 or so. The first are treated as hard breaks, so there are two breaks, one at 74 characters and another one at what would have been 80, thus producing lonely words.
I also suspect of Outlook for causing hthis, but know little on how to fix. See if you have some option to reduce the line length. Usage of flowed text can also help.
Regards
This may help:
Not quite my issue as I don't have HTML emails turned on.
You seem to be writing the messages for cutting at 80 characters per line,
but be actually sent cutting at 74 or so. The first are treated as hard breaks, so there are two breaks, one at 74 characters and another one at what would have been 80, thus producing lonely words.
I also suspect of Outlook for causing hthis, but know little on how to fix.
See if you have some option to reduce the line length.
I agree that this seems to be an Outlook issue. If I don't hand break my lines, Outlook does it for me it seems (see the last message I posted for an example). I'll count how many characters it breaks at and break there by hand in the future so that I continue to get > at the beginning of all quoted lines.
Hopefully that works.
Thank you all for your help in diagnosing this rather annoying issue.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com wrote:
This may help:
Not quite my issue as I don't have HTML emails turned on.
You seem to be writing the messages for cutting at 80 characters per line,
but be actually sent cutting at 74 or so. The first are treated as hard breaks, so there are two breaks, one at 74 characters and another one at what would have been 80, thus producing lonely words.
I also suspect of Outlook for causing hthis, but know little on how to fix.
See if you have some option to reduce the line length.
I agree that this seems to be an Outlook issue. If I don't hand break my lines, Outlook does it for me it seems (see the last message I posted for an example). I'll count how many characters it breaks at and break there by hand in the future so that I continue to get > at the beginning of all quoted lines.
Or install vim, copy from outlook to vim, :set tw=70, use `gqq` as needed, copy back.
-Jeremy
2012/8/17 Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com:
I get the feeling sometimes that either mailman or Outlook completely ignores
where I am putting my line breaks and put them wherever it pleases.
Do you introduce line-breaks manually except when passing to a new paragraph? If so, the solution is simple: don't do that. Outlook will automatically cut the line to a certain number of characters, configurable from File->Options->Mail->Message Format. If you really want to control your message, you can set that to a very high value (like 150 or something).
Strainu
I get the feeling sometimes that either mailman or Outlook completely ignores
where I am putting my line breaks and put them wherever it pleases.
Do you introduce line-breaks manually except when passing to a new paragraph? If so, the solution is simple: don't do that. Outlook will automatically cut the line to a certain number of characters, configurable from File->Options->Mail->Message Format. If you really want to control your message, you can set that to a very high value (like 150 or something).
Strainu
Yes. I've been manually introducing my line breaks. I was doing it at 80 characters, now I am doing it at 74. I always have a text editor open so it isn't too much work for me to just type my message in there and use the verticle line I have placed at 80 or 74 characters, depending on what I am doing.
The other reason I manually format my messages though is that I really hate all of the junk Outlook puts into a message when you reply. I much prefer the clean kind of look that these messages have.
Definitely will be chaning that option. Then I can have my text editor set at 80 all the time.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
2012/8/24 Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com:
The other reason I manually format my messages though is that I really hate all of the junk Outlook puts into a message when you reply. I much prefer the clean kind of look that these messages have.
I'm not sure what you mean by "all of the junk", but you might want to carefully read all the options from the "Mail" tab. It took me about an hour, but right now my outlook emails are identical with the default Gmail configuration.
Strainu
This junk.
Definitely going to peruse through those options though.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
-----Original Message----- From: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Strainu Sent: 24 August 2012 08:47 To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Meta: Inproper Line Breaks
2012/8/24 Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com:
The other reason I manually format my messages though is that I really hate all of the junk Outlook puts into a message when you reply. I much prefer the clean kind of look that these messages have.
I'm not sure what you mean by "all of the junk", but you might want to carefully read all the options from the "Mail" tab. It took me about an hour, but right now my outlook emails are identical with the default Gmail configuration.
Strainu
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