Hi,
I don't know who is in charge of this utility but perhaps some of you know a short way.
Recently Mediawiki message delivery left a message on village pump of Hungarian Wikipedia without undersigning. The message wasn't archived for a long time until the issue was fixed manually.
Tonight another mistake happened: https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28egy%C... The message contains a fixed English format date according to GMT, while we are in GMT+1 and use Hungarian date format. The message won't be archived again, and other bots processing the archives cannot recognize the date.
Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use ~~~~! This is the first lesson taught.
On 12/11/15, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I don't know who is in charge of this utility but perhaps some of you know a short way.
Recently Mediawiki message delivery left a message on village pump of Hungarian Wikipedia without undersigning. The message wasn't archived for a long time until the issue was fixed manually.
Tonight another mistake happened: https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28egy%C... The message contains a fixed English format date according to GMT, while we are in GMT+1 and use Hungarian date format. The message won't be archived again, and other bots processing the archives cannot recognize the date.
Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use ~~~~! This is the first lesson taught.
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I'm not that familar with the mass message tool - but this seems more like a "rules" thing, then a technical thing.
Perhaps the policy should be updated at meta where users have to end their posts with a standard looking signature block: [[m:User:Foo]] ~~~~~
-- -bawolff
On Fri, 2015-12-11 at 09:02 +0100, Bináris wrote:
Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use ~~~~! This is the first lesson taught.
Currently the actual creator is added as a (HTML source code) comment (your link to the diff shows "User:Matiia@metawiki"). It's not too obvious and I'd also prefer real user names, for accountability.
andre
On 11.12.2015 10:40, Andre Klapper wrote:
On Fri, 2015-12-11 at 09:02 +0100, Bináris wrote:
Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use
This is the first lesson taught.Currently the actual creator is added as a (HTML source code) comment (your link to the diff shows "User:Matiia@metawiki"). It's not too obvious and I'd also prefer real user names, for accountability.
andre
Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209
Purodha
2015-12-11 11:52 GMT+01:00 Purodha Blissenbach purodha@blissenbach.org:
Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209
Nemo closed it as invalid. While he is right that correct solution is ~~~~~ (5 tildes rather than 4), he is not right that the issue is purely a user error.
As mass delivery is a MW service (as far as I see, an extension), the software should handle it: either put the tildes itself or refuse a malformed message.
As Flow is ante portas (do I suppose correctly that it will work without tildes as LQT did?), the extension should check the existence of Flow and make the correct decision. At the point where some wikis use Flow and others don't, it is no more the user's responsibility to deal with tildes.
Hi,
On 12/11/2015 05:42 AM, Bináris wrote:
2015-12-11 11:52 GMT+01:00 Purodha Blissenbach purodha@blissenbach.org:
Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209
Nemo closed it as invalid. While he is right that correct solution is ~~~~~ (5 tildes rather than 4), he is not right that the issue is purely a user error.
As mass delivery is a MW service (as far as I see, an extension), the software should handle it: either put the tildes itself or refuse a malformed message.
MassMessage will warn[1] you if your message is missing a timestamp. It won't forcibly make you add one because the detection is imperfect and in principle, MassMessage doesn't restrict users, but tries to guide them into not doing stupid things. I'm not sure if the warning would have triggered in this case as a UTC timestamp is valid on Meta-Wiki, which is where the message originated from.
There's also some discussion about how signatures should be added at [2].
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MassMessage_timestamp_warning.png [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:MassMessage#Signature_recommendation
-- Legoktm
Hi,
the point is do the writers know that? Seems not all. Who tells them?
Purodha
On 11.12.2015 20:48, Legoktm wrote:
Hi,
On 12/11/2015 05:42 AM, Bináris wrote:
2015-12-11 11:52 GMT+01:00 Purodha Blissenbach purodha@blissenbach.org:
Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209
Nemo closed it as invalid. While he is right that correct solution is ~~~~~ (5 tildes rather than 4), he is not right that the issue is purely a user error.
As mass delivery is a MW service (as far as I see, an extension), the software should handle it: either put the tildes itself or refuse a malformed message.
MassMessage will warn[1] you if your message is missing a timestamp. It won't forcibly make you add one because the detection is imperfect and in principle, MassMessage doesn't restrict users, but tries to guide them into not doing stupid things. I'm not sure if the warning would have triggered in this case as a UTC timestamp is valid on Meta-Wiki, which is where the message originated from.
There's also some discussion about how signatures should be added at [2].
[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MassMessage_timestamp_warning.png [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:MassMessage#Signature_recommendation
-- Legoktm
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Purodha Blissenbach wrote:
the point is do the writers know that? Seems not all. Who tells them?
Hi.
People sending messages to hundreds or thousands of users, potentially across hundreds of Wikimedia wikis, ought to be familiar with standard practices such as signing posts with a regular timestamp. If users are unfamiliar with these practices, they probably should not be using the MassMessage tool. Or, at minimum, they should be carefully reading the user documentation, as instructed. :-)
I replied at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209#1876778.
Andre Klapper wrote:
Currently the actual creator is added as a (HTML source code) comment (your link to the diff shows "User:Matiia@metawiki"). It's not too obvious and I'd also prefer real user names, for accountability.
I think you're referring to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71954 ("Add support to MassMessage to allow using the sender's username for deliveries")?
MZMcBride
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